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It is a lightweight.

Yes one sunken rib 5lbs 10oz balances on hinge pin. According to listing

You are of course very correct to remind us all that what I wrote above for French shotguns, is to a large extent also true for Belgian shotguns (like Francotte), notably for the simpler and more "mundane" ones. Yes, true.

At least here, the old shotgun aficionados and collectors DIE. One after the other. Dead. And nobody new or younger comes through, no filling up of the ranks from below. No new young collectors who could start with 1 €uro guns (no, this is NOT a joke nor hyperbole). From those who commented still vividly and curmudgeonly on scattergun topics in the German online hunting fora of the early 2000s, most are DEAD now. Game over; knowledge and experience lost. No tradition of those memory gems to the next generation.

Carcano

Thanks Carcano. I totally understand and agree with your assessment. It is happening over here just a bit slower. I never looked at fine guns as a investment but will definitely unload so to speak what I won’t use.

I find that 16 rather spend interesting. I think it is the first I've seen where the upper part of the stock extends all the way to the receiver balls. I to have s light little French 16 dating to the very early 1900s but not near as handsome as the OPs.

What maker is this jam?

Okay found fab500 post translated by Argo, looks to be a Jean Aimé Maisonnial? Any information?
Triple proof 65mm lengthened to 70mm and Bnp cip proofs now.

https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...p;Board=1&main=47720&type=thread,
Also addresses Cuillard, the barrel borer.

FAB500 give a good history of Maisonnial here:
https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=605133

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The Maisonnial's were originally from Lapt (Haute-Loire, France).

The first to enter the profession of gunmaker was Jean Aimé Maisonnial, born in Saint-Etienne on 22 April 1896. He was the son of Jean Maisonnial, traveling businessman, and Anna Sarron, employee of a tobacco business at the place Chavanelle, (Saint-Etienne) in the gunmakers quarter.

Aimé married Rosalie Boyer at Saint-Etienne on 16 June 1920. That same year, after an apprenticeship and a trip around France to visit a number of gunmakers, Aimé Maisonnial sold the three guns that he had succeeded in making outside of his work-hours, and set himself up at 68 grande rue Saint Rochelles at Saint-Etienne. He is mentioned as being at 13 rue des Rives in 1931. On 26 November 1931 under number 5475, Aimé Maisonnial registered a trademark "Royal-Super-Steel; Crochet-Aherobloc". He would renew this trademark on 26 December 1946.

From his marriage came three sons. The oldest Joannès (1922-1978), worked very early beside his father and succeeded him. Installed at 13 de la rue Clément Forissier at least from 1931, Maisonnial Father and Sons continued to make guns during the entire war. They created a stock which made their fortune after the war, until the years 1950-52 when Myxomatose (Rabbit virus) depressed the market.

Joannès Maisonnial, trained at the Professional school then in the workshop of his father, took over after his death in 1957. He began probably between 1962 and 1964 the fabrication of an Over/Under with automatic ejectors under license from the patents 1.307.757 et 1.328.873. of Georges Jay from 23 November 1961 and 17 July 1962 with an addition on 12 November 1964. He retained his workshop until 1965 when at with time, no longer finding qualified workers to maintain the level of production, he decided to close. There remained a lot of stock. In Algeria, Boumédienne had just taken power and reopened the commerce in guns. The demand was strong. All the stock was sent to Algeria. The workshop was then disassembled and Joannès Maisonnial left for Vichy. There he opened a Gun store "Aux Armes de Saint-Etienne." Joannès Maisonnial died in 1978.


Better photos please. Looks like it has Birmingham proofs on it but can't tell.

Yes it now is 17.2 bore 70mm and proofed with bnp cip.