It would take some time to cobble something worthwhile together, a task that really needs to be completed in full, but below are a couple thoughts that hint @ just how far Schoverling, Daly & Gales permeated, and defined, the >>Golden Age of Sporting<< with their wares making them rich beyond belief.
>>Schoverling, Daly & Gales spanned the spectrum. August Schoverling & Henri Pieper were very chummy(they were the same age) and Schoverling personally handled Pieper's accounts/wares until say 1890 when he developed heart issues and had to distance himself from the work. Remember they both worked at Hermann Boker & Co.(50 Cliff Street) and Charles Daly was at Tufts & Colley(Walter Tufts, Jr. & Charles Gates Colley) at the same time as George W. Van Tine, who was a pillar at Hermann Boker & Company for say 20 years.<<
>>But before that let me recap a bit. Schoverling & Daly was founded in either 1862 or most give 1865. In 1868 Friedrich Wiebusch was listed as a silent or special partner and he expired in 1893, 2 years after August Schoverling. I'm fairly confident that Friedrich Wiebusch was founding partner in Wiebusch & Hilger(Hilger & Co. founded in 1848??) which arrived on the scene around 1876 and continued till say 1928. After Friedrich Wiebusch expired, Charles Frederick Wiebusch, William S. Hilger & M. Taussig were at the helm and were mainly blade peddlers. In 1892, about the time they were listed as the sole Sauer agents, they were in a tiff with the U.S. of A. over bowie knives, which they considered to be sidearms but the government didn't see it that way & they lost. The seem to have drug in some Belgian arms also and all appears to have left port at Antwerp. Getting back on track, in 1869/1870 Schoverling & Daly advertised as being an agent of William Powell & Sons and the scattergun in the advert looks to have the lifter action but the verbiage is as follows:
"4 systems - Lever Under Guard Double Grip, Side Snap, Top Snap Double Bolt & New Triple Fastening" and I am pleased to see
B. Jacob of Selma, Alabama as an agent. I think it was in 1871 or 1877 as I've gotten my dates crossed but surely in the 1870s, SD&G had a satellite office at No. 65 Weaman Street, Birmingham and that seems to be the address of Tolley.<<
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=376066&page=allA&F, etc. all pretty much came along later after Schoverling, Daly & Gales, with the Pulse of the American Sportsman, created the Market.....
>>All right, here's what my Magic 8 Ball says. But before that let me recap a bit. Schoverling & Daly was founded in either 1862 or most give 1865. In 1868 Friedrich Wiebusch was listed as a silent or special partner and he expired in 1893, 2 years after August Schoverling. I'm fairly confident that Friedrich Wiebusch was founding partner in Wiebusch & Hilger(Hilger & Co. founded in 1848??) which arrived on the scene around 1876 and continued till say 1928. After Friedrich Wiebusch expired, Charles Frederick Wiebusch, William S. Hilger & M. Taussig were at the helm and were mainly blade peddlers. In 1892, about the time they were listed as the sole Sauer agents, they were in a tiff with the U.S. of A. over bowie knives, which they considered to be sidearms but the government didn't see it that way & they lost. The seem to have drug in some Belgian arms also and all appears to have left port at Antwerp. Getting back on track, in 1869/1870 Schoverling & Daly advertised as being an agent of William Powell & Sons and the scattergun in the advert looks to have the lifter action but the verbiage is as follows:
"4 systems - Lever Under Guard Double Grip, Side Snap, Top Snap Double Bolt & New Triple Fastening" and I am pleased to see
B. Jacob of Selma, Alabama as an agent. I think it was in 1871 or 1877 as I've gotten my dates crossed but surely in the 1870s, SD&G had a satellite office at No. 65 Weaman Street, Birmingham and that seems to be the address of Tolley. Schoverling & Daly were involved in several import/retail houses and just like the tale that Charles Daly spun on the stand in the early 1890s(A. Schovering possibly would have been in the hot seat but he was on holiday in Germany where he expired) it seems that components were being imported as follows as all along with others were listed as agents of Schoverling & Daly:
Tubes to William R. Schaefer was located 61 Elm Street, Boston, Massachusetts;
Locks & Traps to Thomas L. Golcher 116 West Girard Street Philadelphia, Pennsylvania(Joseph Jakob was also in Philly);
& Stocks/wood to Schoverling & Daly in New York. This would explain how all those similar components landed up on American assembled sporting weapons from the period. Now the possibility exists there were other import houses but these were Schoverling & Daly agents in the cities where the imports arrived. Schoverling & Daly advertised the "Daly Gun" as an import gun but then when the import tariffs were imposed the "Daly Gun" was a homegrown sporting weapon. Then in 1879 bicycle peddler Joseph Gales was added to the management.<<
Do note that Schaefer used tubesets imported by S,D&G and their sourcing point was Antwerp & @ one time I knew the name of S,D&G's handler there.
>>Heindrick August Schoverling was a partner, senior member more than likely, of at least one if not all of the import/retail houses/concerns until 1888 at the age of 48 when he was diagnosed with heart disease. From the remainder of his life he tooled around Europe until a cold turned to pneumonia in D�sseldorf on the Rhine. Earlier in 1859 he began his journey as he departed Osnabr�ck, Hannover and immigrated to NY where he secured empolyment at Hermann Boker & Company, the same firm where Charles Daly was an employee. By the early 1860 he was head of the firearms department and in 1865 he & Daly left Hermann Boker & Company to hang out a single shingle bearing the name Schoverling & Daly. I don't think he had a stake in Hermann Boker & Company. According to testimony they operated their own import/retail house in the 1880s. Can you tell me if C.E. Overbaugh offered a Body Action/A&D in 1886? All these Scott Action hammergun types and Lindner Body Action/A&D types could have easily permeated the U.S. of A. gun making network from the 3 import nodes. Me thinks it was 1883 when the import laws began to put a crimp on their business?<<
>>By 1885 Charles E. Overbaugh was next door neighbours to Schoverling, Daly & Gales and had to be an agent as in the early 1880s Schoverling, Daly & Gales were handling Henri Pieper's wares and this 1885 Charles E. Overbaugh gives many of the items Schoverling, Daly & Gales were peddling, especially the "Charles Daly Gun....<<
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=235930&page=15>>I was chasing The Daly Gun and veered off on a William Richard Schaefer tangent and thought Dr. McPhail might have some input. In 1853 William R. Schaefer hung out his gunmaking shingle in Boston at 11 Dock Square(House?). Interesting that this is also where Fred. G. Doell hailed from while William Richard Schaefer was at No. 61 Elm Street. In 1858 his is still at the same location, 11 Dock Square, as before per the Boston Directory. By 1868 he had partnered with J. Fredrick Werner to advertise as W.R. Schaefer & J. Fred. Werner Boston. It must have been somewhat short lived as in 1871 his address is No. 61 Elm Street, Boston where he advertises as being adept to re-boring scatterguns, which was a very new topic at the time. Even though a Schoverling, Daly & Gales catalogue? gives that the rights to the Ballard rifle were purchase by Schoverling & Daly in 1876, it appears that the acquistion was actually in 1873 and this may be what paired Schoverling & Daly with William R. Schaefer, who was listed as a Schoverling & Daly agent in 1877. William R. Schaefer was a superb shot and offered an Improved Ballard Rifle in 1876/1877 while advertising as "guns bored to shoot close and hard." W. R. Schaefer donated prize money for shooting events and in 1878/1879 donated a Daly Gun for an event. The 6 1/2 P.G. Ballard Rifle with Rigby pattern tube in 38-50 arrived on the scene about 1880 and I'm curious if W.R. Schaefer was involved. The organization of W. R. Schaefer & Son occurred in the 1881/1882 time period when J.R.F. Schaefer came aboard. In the next few years another son, Richard F. Schaefer, joined their ranks and the looks to have reflected it in advertising as W.R. Schaefer & Sons. Richard F. Schaefer, Dick as he was known, like his father was quite the shot and by age 17 could put on quite the exhibition of glass ball shooting at the Raymond Sportsman's Club in Melford, Massachusetts But this too was short lived and by 1890 there was a divorce with Richard F. Schaefer leaving William R. Schaefer & J.R.F. Schaefer at the helm. From here, Richard F. Schaefer's life doesn't appear to be a smooth one as he bounced around from city to city and on July 21st of 1909 was a clerk at a hotel in Norway, Me.(Maine?) he committed sucide abandoning a wife & son. I can't say if they were still a family unit or not but it would seem that William R. Schaefer would have taken in his daugher-in-law & grandson. Another interesting tid-bit is that just a few days later on July 23rd,1909, Fred. G. Doell also expired after a long bout with poor health. William R. Schaefer may have been a cock fighter or really liked chicken as in a 1900 advert, he promotes the wares of the Cyphers Incubator Company. Probably just the latter as he was peddling dunghills and/or showing dunghills. He may still have been active in 1917.<<
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...Words=brevete&Search=true#Post236425>>....It would seem that Westley Richards had acquired full rights by the time they selected Harrington & Richardson to be the sole manufacture in the U.S. of A. in 1880 and continued for about 5 years. So for arguments sake I'd say 1879/1880 time period. J. Palmer O'Neil & Company advertises as the sole Westley Richards U.S. of A. agent and by Spring 1883 Schoverling, Daly & Gales advertise as wholesale agents of the Harrington & Richardson hammerless Breech loading sporting weapon. Charles Daly seems to be sandbagging and buying time at this juncture and I would say takes feedback from his customers who purchase the H&R A&D hammerless breech loading sporting weapon. From this, someone decides to extent the frame of the Charles Daly hammerless breech loading sporting weapon. Meanwhile, William Anson has developed the Anson & Deeley Safety Bolt of 1882, late 1884 in the U.S. of A., and Charles Daly takes note of it. Charles Daly probably takes a Harrington & Richardson A&D boxlock to Suhl and the mechanics closely inspect every component. All of this is wadded up into a composite design and the result is an 1884 Charles Daly hammerless breech loading sporting weapon. No one really seems to acknowledge the Anson & Deeley Safety Bolt of 1882 as a separate system, and Dig notes it as just belts and braces, so the A&D(1875) permission use numbers must have continued unabated and Charles Daly had a few C. Daly on the A&D 1875 patent but most were on the Anson & Deeley Safety Bolt of 1882/1884. I wonder what the difference would have been for manufacture in the U.S. of A. vs. H&R and being the big fish in the pool in Suhl?<<
>>Mr. R E Couchman seems to represent Anson and Deeley, and later in 1877, Anson only, when contracting the use of the various Anson or Anson and Deeley patents in contracts with Westley Richards in June of 1876, and Dec. of 1877. Couchman also represents the Patentees in a Nov. 1879 patent use agreement with Charles Osborn. Finally for Couchman, I see him signing for the Patentees with the exclusive U.S. manufacturing rights with Harrington and Richardson in Feb. 20, 1880. Late in the 1880s, I see the licensing agreements for the Anson and Deeley patents to Scott, Bentley and Playfair, and several others all signed by Westley Richards. I cannot pinpoint when Westley Richards took over the licensing of the Patents in their own name.
Each gun made with the patents by Westley Richards and also Harrington Richardson was to be marked with an A and D number starting with No. 1. Others were marked with an unspecified numbering system. It seems , in the case of Harrington and Richardson, the use number was also the serial number.<<
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...ds=permission&Search=true#Post272601Confirms what we thought about serial numbers for H&R...... Of course there's more....
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