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Anyone have any ideas on this Husky 9mm Mauser Bolt Gun? I can't find any marks @ all less the serial number 40793. It followed me home from a local gun show today, along w/ some Kynoch ammo. Is it an actual production gun or something cobbled together by an Alabama Gunsmith?


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I believe the stock has been bedded or similar.

I can post about any fotos needed.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
It looks like a Husky mod.46, which was built on a commercial version of the Military Mod 94 6.5x55 Swedish. It can be difficult to tell the difference between a mod 46 and a sporterized mod. 94 that has been cleaned of markings. The bedding would be "after market". The Germans were more likely to use 9x57 (and mod 98 action) and the Swedes were more likely to use 9.3x57 (in 94 type actions). I suggest you "Slug" the bore to determine whether it is 9mm or 9.3x57. The 9x57s I have slugged had .358" grooves, others report .355-6" and one reported .352". The 9.3s (both x57 and 62) are usually pretty consistently .365-6. Both are good cartridges; cases are easy to make for both from 30-06 and bullets are available for both. The one caveat for 9x57 bullets is They feed better with bullets heavier (longer) than 200 grains.
Mike

Thanks Ford. Would there be an foto I could obtain & post of the action to differentiate between the two¿

The previous custodian was a Gunsmith from somewhere between Pratville & Selma on 14. He is an older gentleman now that was trained by a German Gunsmith from the area. I know from my many conversations w/ M.V. Highsmith that there was a following of German guns, specifically Drillings(Trojčica - Borovlje), post WWII from Selma to Mobile over into Mississippi where they hunted Turkey w/ drillings. The gunsmith who was the previous custodian is loosing his eye sight and is dwindling his collection. Now the guy I dealt with was a Concrete Guy and moves in Gun circles between Cullman & Montgomery. He talked of driving to some location around Marion Junction and picking up 55 gallon drums of barreled actions. Closely remined me of a Fella on River-View Time... I hope to catch up w/ him in the very near future. Sourced a stellar Puma Sea Hunter from him as of course he is a blade nut too....


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Too Ford, what would bases would you suggest to fill those coarse bored holes in the top of the receiver? Or better stated, what was on there previously?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

The forward holes have a depth of 4.5mm and the aft holes are 5mm in depth. Was there every a time when boring holes in the top of a receiver caused a shooter to pause or warranted caution?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
The Mod 46 commercial and 94 military were the same action made on the same equipment. The difference would be in the markings (and stock, of course). The barrel would have commercial markings on the mod. 46 and the military rifle would have a military crest on the receiver and other marks on the side wall. If someone took a military action, put a commercial barrel and stock on it and cleaned off the military markings, it would be difficult to tell the difference. BTW, I bought my very first drilling from a gunshop in Selma. That would have been in 1964 or 5, you were just a baby then.
Your rifle has at least two sets of scope mounts installed over the years. One set had two bases with two screws each, maybe Weaver. The other one was a one piece with two screws in the receiver ring and one in the bridge, possibly a Readfield.
If the holes were properly drilled and tapped, there shouldn't be any concern. The typical size of the screws would be 6-48 but a few people would open up the holes in the bases for 8-40 screws, usually for heavy recoiling rifles.
Mike

Nice looking rifle.
If you click on the second pic, the closer-in shot. Then click on it again it greatly enlarges.
The bbl markings show Kal 9.x (??) m.m.

I can't quite read what the unkn x number is. It almost looks like an 'S" or a '5' perhaps. But likely a 3 I'd guess from the common choices above.

Good Eye Kutter, excellent notice......



Crown on the Underside of the Trigger, else the metal is devoid of any marks I can see.



I typically do not cotton to Chicken Scratching w/ an electronic engraver, but this bit of graffiti speaks volumes, if correct: Modell 46B(more than likely a Modell 46A from the serial number list??).



Husqvarna Vapenfabriks AB 9.3 mm

It does have a Husky Buttplate.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Is the slot in the left side of the stock & receiver there for ease of loading ammo?

Also, just how does the bolt come out?


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Am I to understand that for the most part, & maybe solely, this bolt gun & cartridge was the preferred platform for Moose Hunting in Scandinavia??

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

The other way the Swedes got their favorite 9.3x57 moose rifles was by importing them from Germany even during the war from small time German gunsmiths. Mine was built in 1941 on a WW1 98 carbine action but completely sporterized and looks just like this Mod 46. Someone here posted a picture of mine here for me and gave me the history. Maybe they still have the pic?

https://www.rex.gl/serials.html






from defunct page - skydevaaben.com

If indeed this Modell 46A was made in 1942, it has seen little, little action......


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Ford:

What type 9,3mm bullet do you take on a Good Moose Shoot in East Alabama?


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

To my eyes, it's a pure-bred Husky. Until they released the 9.3x62, they only marked the barrel "9.3". This was in the 46-series. Original bullets were around 232gr. but data exists for heavier bullets intended for the x62 and x74. Ballistics are very much a .358 Winchester class. I have an earlier 46--prior to the schnabel forearm. Nice rifles.

Many thanks Hoot4570 for the info. Any idea what prepollent was pushing the 232 grain projectile? Does the earlier Modell Nr. 46 wear any distinguishing marks less the ones I have shown?


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
You asked if the 9.3x57 was the favored caliber for Moose in Sweden. For the longest time it was very popular, but other calibers were pretty popular too. The idea of what was the most popular seems to come from the rifles we see on the auction and other sale sites. Of course, importers first brought in rifles chambered for cartridges that would sell quickly in the us. They have already brought in most of the available 6.5x55, 30-06, 8x57, and 358 Norma chambered rifles. Even before the Swedish hunters started changing to the latest "whizz bang" cartridge put forth in the new American magazines, they discovered the virtues of the world famous 9.3x62 and changing over to it seems to have freed up even more 9.3x 57s for importation into the US. Actually, 9.3x57 is a fine cartridge on its own, in the class of 358 Winchester and is perfectly capable of taking Moose. If someone wants to know which caliber is most popular, it would likely be better to examine ammo sales. You also asked which bullet I use in my 9.3x57. I actually use 250 Speer bullets from a good size batch I rounded up many years ago (if you wait until you need something before you buy it, you have to pay too much). The propellant I use is Military "pull down" IMR 4895, because I have it and it works well. The comparable Speer bullet produced today is their 270 grain spitzer, which would be fine for the 9.3x57 as well as the 9.3 x 62, 9.3x64, and 9.3x74R. There has been a misperception that the Mod 46/ 94 action is weak. The truth of the matter is, a Mod 46 proofed for 9.3x57 is proofed with the same proof load as if it were in a model 98.
Mike

Thanks Ford and I am well aware you still have several Brown Paper Bags full of »Pull Down« IMR 4895. Yeah, I stumbled upon a Lyman set of dies for the 9,3X62 @ the Cullman Gun Show this past weekend.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Norma loading data for the cartridge (and it should be safe to assume that their prime customers for it were right there in Sweden) were limited to around 45,000 psi. To be sure, 1960's models of Husqvarnas, which appear to be basically the same actions as the 96 but perhaps tweaked or of a higher quality steel and treatment, were available in modern cartridges. My wife had one in 308 Winchester. But, Norma had to have their reasons. In my vintage small ring 98 I have shot 232, 250, 270, and 286 grain bullets and have compared my loads with Norma factory loads in 232 and 286 grain weights. I just went looking for my early 1960's vintage Norma reloading guide but couldn't put my hands on it. The powders I used were N201 with the 286 grainers (which all went under 1 inch at 50 yards with the barrel sights) and 250 grainers and 748 with the other weights (except the 232s as I had moose on my mind). I think that the Brits were happy with large diameter and heavy for caliber bullets at around 2100 fps as being perfectly adequate for game and that was easily obtained with accuracy.

What type tip did you chose & any idea of the Norma style bullet tip?


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

I am unaware what was used in any factory offerings but I suppose it was VV or Norma propellants. Considerable discussion here => https://www.gunboards.com/threads/handloading-the-9-3x57.645/

Raven Rocks has (had?) Norma brass in stock and is a good company. Like Der Ami, I use 250's and 270's for jacketed bullets. I did pick up a couple of different cast bullets but have not tried them yet.

As for markings, I believe they are identical to yours.

My 286s are vintage Norma soft point round nose. My 250 and 270 are original Speer soft points (I guess I'd have to call them vintage now also). I do have more "modern" 9.3s of various makes and models but these are for my 9.3x74R and see no reason to try them in my 9.3x57 as it is very happy with the first 3 mentioned. I find it interesting that 9.3s tend to shoot to about the same place no matter the load.