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Axel E.: on the subject

>>The old „Bleistiftpatrone = pencil cartridge“ 6.5x70R was designed in Suhl about 1911 to allow for light, slim drillings and combinations. It was a pure roebuck number with ballistics comparable to the .25-35 Win. It used 6.64 mm = .261” bullets like several other German “6.5” cartridges. A handloader may use Hornady .258” 117 gr bullets and 28 gr 4064 for about 2200 fps. Apparently it was more popular in Austria than in Germany. The German ammo companies declared it obsolete in 1934, “axailable only as stocks last”.
About 25 years ago Krieghoff, Ulm and Norma resurrected the old case, but necked it down to use .243” bullets. Intended as a special varmint - roedeer cartridge for Krieghoff's insert barrels in their full power drillings, it was not a real success. So the 6x70R is obsolescent now too, ammo and empty cases hard to find.<<


For the moment I am consumed w/ 22s....

But if the 6,5X70R could be made from 9,3X72R or similar, I might give it a go.....


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Fishing in a Dry Hole, but what might be the advantages, disadvantages of scaling down the platform from 16 gauge to 20 or 24 gauge? I well know that a 12 bore platform is more difficult to cobble together and heavier. Are there any issues in downscaling?

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

6.5X58R Sauer



6.5X70R Sauer

I lifted these from Larry's Website.
https://germanhuntingguns.com/the-j-p-sauer-sohn-cartridges/


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

For those who wish to reload, Reichenberg gives data for several bullet weights of their monolithic drive band (or, as you will, radially grooved) HDB bullets. The lighter weights are a bit more recommended:

www.spezialgeschosse.de/lade-info/Ladedaten/6_5x70R.html

Carcano

7,35mm Carcano, I believe the only choice is to reload. I do wonder if 6,5X55 bullets might fit the bill?

But, but, if you do not want split cases, which are almost as rare as >>Hen's Teeth<<, the cases MUST be annealed. All the production brass cases you find will need to be trimmed 1/4" and annealed. I am hoping Ford can school us on the appropriate & exact annealing process.


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Generally, any rifle should have its bore slugged, unless of recent manufacture and even then, slugging doesn't hurt. Most 6.5x70Rs would take .260-1" bullets and 6.5x55 bullets would not be appropriate, unless resized. On the outside chance one is reported to have been made for a .264" bullet, I would want to verify that myself. We often use a test for 8mm rifles that may result in larger than normal bullets. Due to my experience with similar 6.5x48R and 6.5x58R cartridges, I cannot advise using this test or use it myself for these cartridges. Being from the old school, I still hold my cases for annealing in my bare fingers. For normal cases, I cannot hold one long enough to "burn" it. The 6.5x70R, however is longer than normal and it may be possible to hold it long enough. In recent years, different machines have been made that allow inexperienced shooters to properly anneal cases. If I were just starting, I think I would either buy or make one of these machines.
Mike

https://www.ampannealing.com/news/72/mark-ii-db-/

Ford, something like this?

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

https://agscustomparts.com/?srsltid=AfmBOor2aiY7QSf5GNKHnTCVztsSmU7wejjBdQTCICsw2hm3CFaTd8AE

Or maybe one of these?


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Generally? *NOOOOOOO*
Specifically, .257" bullets may work also in some .260-.261" bores, due to obturation fit. HDB expressedly counsel to use only their .257" bullets in the 6,5x70R.

Seems the devices may cost a little coin...

https://www.brownells.com/reloading...rep-centers/case-neck-annealing-machine/

https://burstfireguns.com/products/...ction-annealing-machine-case-prep-center

So Ford would you go w/ induction?


Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse