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What can you tell me about this 22LR/ 410 cape gun?https://postimg.cc/gallery/6qpht5R |  |  |  
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![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/c3/c6/Fj7gXhjC_t.jpg) ![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/1c/7e/nocYClP2_t.jpg) 44 Bore & typical 10,3mm?? 5,3 mm or 22 as it passed thru the Zella - Mehlis Proof Facility in the final state in July 1920. Hochachtungsvoll, Raimey rse |  |  |  
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![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/11/13/EyA8puO7_t.jpg) Looks like it was made @ Hänel where they were completed by the most competent mechanic Gebhard Helmuthhauser / Gebhard Helmuthäuser or Gebhard Helmuthäuser who was listed @ Bergstraße 1 or Gebhard Helmuthhauser / Gebhard Helmuthäuser or Gebhard Helmuthäuser was sourced for the tube work.  Evidently he had a difficult time spelling his name or I do one???? The Suhl Proof Facility was purportedly going thru a ReFurb about this time? Hochachtungsvoll, Raimey rse |  |  |  
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![[Linked Image from thumbs2.imgbox.com]](https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/7a/0b/MWiymkXk_t.jpg) It sort of resembles a Imm. Meffert Treff Action??? Hochachtungsvoll, Raimey rse |  |  |  
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Well, this one you cannot refer to as a Biks as it is a Büchsflinte or Cape Gun.  What might the standing breech resemble?
 
 Hochachtungsvoll,
 
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I forgot to note that I do not see a >>Nitro<< Proof Stamp for the 44 Bore / 0.410".  And I assume the length is 65mm.
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Raimey,There was an earlier 410 with 2" chamber, this could be one of those.
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Could be Ford, could be.  But I would expect that any length other than the nominal 65mm would be noted??  Looks like I may need another affidavit. 
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Raimey,Since the 2" preceded the 2 1/2", it may have been the standard, note the 44r in a circle, was this the proof mark for 410 or a similar cartridge?
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