first, I appreciate all the input. Reviewing this problem, I also shoot a Rizzini BR 550 probably more than the Win 21 and don't recall ever having this problem with that gun. I put 3 new shells of different make into the 21, the Rizzini and an Arrieta and although not scientific, it does appear to be a minute difference in how deep the shells sit. The difference is extremely small though. Letting the hammers down on a block of wood didn't reveal anything as both punches appear the same. I will research getting new springs and have an excellent 'smith to look inside and hopefully solve the problem. I also thought about having the rim cut laser welded.