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I too am a Poor Country Boy, born on the Gulf and rode a Bus up hill both ways to School where I was afforded a Public Education thru talented teachers that heavily invested in me and forced me to rise to my full potential to Master Writing, Reading & Arithmetic. In addition to my primary language my English teacher drove Latin down my throat like a Goose destined for Pate and my foreign language teacher spoke at least 7 languages and you just never knew which one was going to come out..... Neither one would every tell you how to spell a word and always counted w/ >>Look it Up.<< I have thanked all but one for their Nobel Efforts thus far.

I really don't know much about Austrian & German weapons but I took good notes from those who did and came before me. Most are long gone now.

The Mechanics in Suhl tell me that Vierzehnheiligener Bier Nothelfer Bio Weisse is the favourite choice there. At least during this season....

Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

Raimey, back to your earlier post: I believe " Spiralfederschlosse: (Belgian #121257) means " coil spring lock". Gun makers were hesitant to replace flat springs or "V" springs with cheaper coil springs, so this was a notable change at the time.
Mike

Latin lesson: Was this you Raimey?

and although it is not quite as historical as the clip from "life of brian"....raimey turned up here over the weekend in my searching for information about a gun currently auctioning on gunbroker...https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1102060964

a rather poorly kept gun with a fascinating story behind it; visually belgian, but bearing two sets of english proofs (1st 1887-96 london, and 2nd 1989-05 b'ham) and marked for sale under the name, l. p. ducasse of bordeaux, france. as i often have little else to occupy my time, i have been down the rabbit hole to find what i can about this gun. the photo of the patent "a.j.o. 326" turned up nothing in the three volumes of crudgington & baker's books - either under that number, or by those initials. then searching under the french seller's name, i discover an astonishing tidbit....complete with raimey's footprints - https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/12-gauge-side-by-side-shotgun-id-help.429649/

what led me to use to term "astonishing", is the fact that there is an apparently identical gun, with a more legible photo of the patent stamping - which raimey declares as a.j.d. - and identifies as defourny of liege...(also inputs from humpty-dumpty, another of our members).

and the two gun's serial numbers & patent use numbers are both 3 numbers apart - raimey makes the assumption that the earlier gun was a sidelock, but the current subject gun is a side-plated ble (mislabeled by the seller as a sidelock). the seller is a dumpster outlet for used/abused guns, and i expect is supplied by auction buyer(s) across the pond who are buying the dregs from low-end auctions - something these tariff changes may well curtail.

the next step in my discovery process revealed a useful article from another of our own, robertovich; https://shotguncollector.com/2016/06/06/brancquaert-and-defourny/

here provided several useful facts; that all brancquaert guns were supplied by defourny; that there was an anson & deeley actioned boxlock made with single/double triggers, and with/without side plates - and has a picture of a "model 4", side plated and double triggered that appears to be these guns. and, on into the article there is a useful distinction between the use of the french words "brevete" and "patente" - and the declaration that the "a.j.d patent" is only defourny's trade mark....but it would obviously create a serial numbering system for defourny. and somewhere in my search, i read that defourny's shop was opened in 1894 - and that date combined with the 1st set of english proofs, would serve to pretty closely date the gun(s).

i have asked for some additional information about the gun - but have my doubts about how much help will be available from this business model - if the gun does not go into absurd territory....i may well buy the damn thing.

thanks today for raimey and robertovich for their knowledge - and to argo for his sense of humor.

best regards,

tom

See Tom, I know little about doublegun platforms as I can't discern between an Anson & Deeley Body Action and a Sidelock.....


Argo44, I just don't know how you do it. We must be related or @ the very least have merged Kindred Spirits. That is me indeed but I have changed the oil in my Guatemalan / Mexican Kufi / Skull Cap a time or two since that Latin Lesson. But I will state that after Latin the conjugation of Spanish verbs was oh so easy, under a different teacher. As a sidebar, a Kat in the Congo on the West side of Afrika told me in French that he was going to take my Kufi(I bumped into him in a Public Restroom). I kindly responded in English that if he though he could, mount an effort but if he valued his Life, if I were him I would stand-down. Then he changed his tune & wanted me to import 1000 of them. I told him I was quite busy & if I passed that way again, I would look him up....

I wish you a Best Memorial Day........




My Kufi a couple years back in the Alaskan Bush moving 100+ miles in 10 days in a raft on the Salmon River. Wish I had a Kombo on that adventure.



Hochachtungsvoll,

Raimey
rse

That was definitely my Latin teacher!

Raimey, I lived in Alaska for 3 decades, but cannot recall the Salmon River. Where was it ?

If I may insert some more joyfulness into this thread:

https://brauerei-trunk.de/unsere-biere/

Cheers (resp. "Zum Wohl !"),

Carcano