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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
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Do you have all of the pieces? If you do. I would JB Weld it together. That should hold.

No question that J B Weld would put it all back together. But, without painting the whole thing the colors and texture wouldn't match. This coming from someone who buys the stuff in the large size.

I also mess around with boats a lot. I acquired a Tohatsu 40 hp two-stroke about a year ago. They're highly sought after for racing in certain classes (Sport C, for one) because of their awesome weight to horsepower ratio. Since they're no longer sold in the USA I decided to resto one. The rear cowl handle was busted out on a corner, with a piece missing. I repaired it with JBW and shaped everything back to original shape and specs. Easy stuff to use, but matching the texture and color is the real trick. In this particular case I think a replacement of the buttplate is a better option.

Before, and after, with a "dam' made out of blue painter's tape.

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Admittedly, this has nothing to do with doubleguns unless I take the boat duck hunting, with a double. But, it is an example of what can be done with plastics/bakelite, etc. and J B Weld.
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Lloyd, it would help if you could post the dimensions of your broken buttplate with max width, screw hole locations and spacings, etc. as SxS 40 requested. Even better would be a picture of it laid on 1/4" or 1/8" grid graph paper. I could then look though my box of vintage American double shotgun buttplates too.

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I could glue that thing back together and you would never know it. Colors and textures wouldn't match? Besides who would care what that butt plate would look like anyway? It's already a little rough. I have put too many things back together with JB Weld. And you wouldn't have to paint it. All you have to do is glue the pieces back together and leave it the way it is. Have fun fishing Lloyd. And like you said, it won't be that hard to fix. I would keep it original unless you can find another original one. But good luck.

This sentiment is precisely why I spent time several years ago planing and gluing pieces of walnut together in order to find which adhesives would provide the most invisible repair joint.

Of course, I never even considered JB Weld or any other gray or white epoxy. I already knew how bad those repairs looked. It was because of seeing so many of those crude and ugly glue joints on guns that I wanted to know what would give me a repair that didn't look like it was done by a blind monkey. I have seen plenty of gray epoxy repairs on stocks, buttplates, or to fill the gap between the ribs of shortened barrels. Also used as stock bedding compound and even to attach sights. None of it looked good. Gun work like that doesn't even qualify as amateurish. And it wouldn't be suitable on anything except a cheap barn gun, or maybe a temporary repair until a suitable replacement part could be found.

JB Weld is one of the better general purpose epoxies out there. I find it useful for many things. But gun repair isn't one of them.


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Originally Posted by keith
Lloyd, it would help if you could post the dimensions of your broken buttplate with max width, screw hole locations and spacings, etc. as SxS 40 requested. Even better would be a picture of it laid on 1/4" or 1/8" grid graph paper. I could then look though my box of vintage American double shotgun buttplates too.

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I could glue that thing back together and you would never know it. Colors and textures wouldn't match? Besides who would care what that butt plate would look like anyway? It's already a little rough. I have put too many things back together with JB Weld. And you wouldn't have to paint it. All you have to do is glue the pieces back together and leave it the way it is. Have fun fishing Lloyd. And like you said, it won't be that hard to fix. I would keep it original unless you can find another original one. But good luck.

This sentiment is precisely why I spent time several years ago planing and gluing pieces of walnut together in order to find which adhesives would provide the most invisible repair joint.

Of course, I never even considered JB Weld or any other gray or white epoxy. I already knew how bad those repairs looked. It was because of seeing so many of those crude and ugly glue joints on guns that I wanted to know what would give me a repair that didn't look like it was done by a blind monkey. I have seen plenty of gray epoxy repairs on stocks, buttplates, or to fill the gap between the ribs of shortened barrels. Also used as stock bedding compound and even to attach sights. None of it looked good. Gun work like that doesn't even qualify as amateurish. And it wouldn't be suitable on anything except a cheap barn gun, or maybe a temporary repair until a suitable replacement part could be found.

JB Weld is one of the better general purpose epoxies out there. I find it useful for many things. But gun repair isn't one of them.
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Well, a fellow over on the LC Smith site gave me a vendor who has these Smith reproduction buttplates available for short money, even in an extra-thick version (hopefully, not unsightly). It gets here today, evidently.

Thanks everyone. I'll likely glue this up us as well, just to see if I can make it look presentable.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy W
I could glue that thing back together and you would never know it. Colors and textures wouldn't match? Besides who would care what that butt plate would look like anyway? It's already a little rough. I have put too many things back together with JB Weld. And you wouldn't have to paint it. All you have to do is glue the pieces back together and leave it the way it is.

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Well, I just repaired a butt plate with JB Weld and you can't see any joints.

Originally Posted by Jimmy W
I have also repaired broken parts on my car without seeing any joints and they have held for decades.

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And as I said, if you would have looked at the butt plate, the piece was already dented and a little rough, so I don't think a few epoxy lines will matter if they show when he fixes it.

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If you think about it, when he is shooting the gun it is against his shoulder. When he's not shooting it, the gun will be sitting in a rack. Who's going to see it or worry about it while he is looking for another butt plate?

I am so confused DimmyW... Are you saying that you could repair this shattered buttplate using JB Weld, and the joints would not be visible without painting? Or are you saying the gray epoxy joints would be visible, but it won't matter?

Or are you saying both of those things in the same paragraph? You haven't been sniffing glue for 55 years, have you?

That sounds a lot like the double-speak we get from Global Warming Alarmist Scammers who say a warming climate will cause colder and more severe Winter weather.

I know it won't happen, but it would be cool if Lloyd sent you his broken buttplate, and you could show us how to JB Weld it with no visible glue joints, and no coloring of the joints with paint, dye, or permanent marker. You could post photos of the project in the D.I.Y. Amateur Gunsmithing Forum, and have the intense satisfaction of proving me wrong. You might even generate some retirement income by doing Free Tagline Advertising of your JB Weld Gunsmithing work. Otherwise, I'm calling...

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I did say a temporary fix would be fine until a suitable replacement could be found. Lloyd's gun looks to be in pretty nice shape for its' age, so his decision to buy a nice repro buttplate is smart, and won't detract from the gun like a JB Welded Jigsaw Puzzle.


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Originally Posted by keith
Originally Posted by Jimmy W
I could glue that thing back together and you would never know it. Colors and textures wouldn't match? Besides who would care what that butt plate would look like anyway? It's already a little rough. I have put too many things back together with JB Weld. And you wouldn't have to paint it. All you have to do is glue the pieces back together and leave it the way it is.

Originally Posted by Jimmy W
Well, I just repaired a butt plate with JB Weld and you can't see any joints.

Originally Posted by Jimmy W
I have also repaired broken parts on my car without seeing any joints and they have held for decades.

Originally Posted by Jimmy W
And as I said, if you would have looked at the butt plate, the piece was already dented and a little rough, so I don't think a few epoxy lines will matter if they show when he fixes it.

Originally Posted by Jimmy W
If you think about it, when he is shooting the gun it is against his shoulder. When he's not shooting it, the gun will be sitting in a rack. Who's going to see it or worry about it while he is looking for another butt plate?

I am so confused DimmyW... Are you saying that you could repair this shattered buttplate using JB Weld, and the joints would not be visible without painting? Or are you saying the gray epoxy joints would be visible, but it won't matter?

Or are you saying both of those things in the same paragraph? You haven't been sniffing glue for 55 years, have you?

That sounds a lot like the double-speak we get from Global Warming Alarmist Scammers who say a warming climate will cause colder and more severe Winter weather.

I know it won't happen, but it would be cool if Lloyd sent you his broken buttplate, and you could show us how to JB Weld it with no visible glue joints, and no coloring of the joints with paint, dye, or permanent marker. You could post photos of the project in the D.I.Y. Amateur Gunsmithing Forum, and have the intense satisfaction of proving me wrong. You might even generate some retirement income by doing Free Tagline Advertising of your JB Weld Gunsmithing work. Otherwise, I'm calling...

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]

I did say a temporary fix would be fine until a suitable replacement could be found. Lloyd's gun looks to be in pretty nice shape for its' age, so his decision to buy a nice repro buttplate is smart, and won't detract from the gun like a JB Welded Jigsaw Puzzle.
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Originally Posted by Jimmy W
Like you said, it is obvious that you are confused. Lloyd said he wanted to fix it from the beginning. I suggested JB Weld.

Nope DimmyW, you are imagining things again. Lloyd did not say he wanted to fix his broken buttplate from the beginning. Here is a full and complete quote of his initial post. I left out the photos:

Originally Posted by Lloyd3
Need a butt-plate for a 1901 LC Smith D-Grade Hammergun. The post office folks destroyed mine.

Anybody here happen to have one laying around?

Hmmmm, nothing about fixing it there... Lloyd actually hoped that someone here might have a suitable replacement laying around. So maybe DimmyW made a simple mistake, and the part about fixing it was in his second post. Let's take a look:


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Everything else got here ok, it seems.

The flat-bottomed 1901 Fulton (all the Fulton guns had flat bottoms after 1891) hammer and the 1890 residual (a transitional 1st year gun) "Syracuse" Quality 2 gun.

Shot both today and they are ready for another 100-plus years of service (well, maybe after I get another buttplate).

Damn the post office anyway...where's Elon when you need him?

Nope, Lloyd didn't mention anything about repairing his buttplate there either. I think his subsequent Post replying to Stan was referring to the fixing the issue of insufficient or poor packaging so that Postal Insurance might cover the damage. And perhaps a hope that Elon Musk could fix the problem of the USPS handling packages roughly. It was you DimmyW, who brought up repairing it with JB Weld. Lloyd didn't even acknowledge that silly idea. But he did reply to SXS 40's offer to look for one if he could provide the dimensions.

Stan then QUOTED you, and replied that he uses JB Weld a lot, and also opined that it wouldn't be a good solution for repairing this shattered buttplate, because the colors and textures wouldn't match without painting the entire buttplate. I happen to agree with Stan. JB Weld has a place, but using it to repair nice old doubles isn't it.

I also think you are psychotic, and are once again seeing things in Posts that were never said. I also knew that the mere mention of Global Warming would trigger you into another insane rant, which is always entertaining. I just look at the historical data from the National Weather Service, where one can easily see that last year was not the hottest year on record since 1850. There are lots of Chicken Little's who think the sky is falling. With you Dimmy, a piece of it obviously did fall, and hit you in the head causing brain damage. Every time I used my snowblower, or shoveled snow, or paid the gas bill this past winter, I thought about you saying last year was the hottest year on the planet (since 1850), and I laughed.

Since you seem very concerned about how many Threads get locked after I make a post, I think you should contact Dave Weber to ask him about it. And ask yourself this brainchild... If my posts are the major cause of Dave locking Threads, why doesn't he simply ban me, or just delete my posts that you and your fellow Libtards find so offensive? He can do that you know.

Oh, one other thing Dimmy dimwit... I don't care how many doubles you may have bought in the last year. If you support and vote for anti-gunners... knowing they have strong anti-gun voting records... then you are yourself an anti-gunner. If you have a pipe leaking, you hire a Plumber, not an Electrician. And if you really wish to preserve Gun Rights, you wouldn't hire a devout anti-gun Democrat... unless you were severely retarded. We elect people who we think will represent our interests. Real Gun Guys aren't stupid enough to elect those who proclaim their anti-2nd Amendment attitudes and their intentions to enact more anti-gun laws or gun bans. So the anti-gun shoe fits you as perfectly as Cinderella's glass slipper fit her.

Now, if I'm real lucky, Dave will lock this Thread, and you will pop another giant hemorrhoid over it.


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Originally Posted by Jimmy W
Like you said, it is obvious that you are confused. Lloyd said he wanted to fix it from the beginning. I suggested JB Weld.

Nope DimmyW, you are imagining things again. Lloyd did not say he wanted to fix his broken buttplate from the beginning. Here is a full and complete quote of his initial post. I left out the photos:

Originally Posted by Lloyd3
Need a butt-plate for a 1901 LC Smith D-Grade Hammergun. The post office folks destroyed mine.

Anybody here happen to have one laying around?

Hmmmm, nothing about fixing it there... Lloyd actually hoped that someone here might have a suitable replacement laying around. So maybe DimmyW made a simple mistake, and the part about fixing it was in his second post. Let's take a look:


Originally Posted by Lloyd3
Everything else got here ok, it seems.

The flat-bottomed 1901 Fulton (all the Fulton guns had flat bottoms after 1891) hammer and the 1890 residual (a transitional 1st year gun) "Syracuse" Quality 2 gun.

Shot both today and they are ready for another 100-plus years of service (well, maybe after I get another buttplate).

Damn the post office anyway...where's Elon when you need him?

Nope, Lloyd didn't mention anything about repairing his buttplate there either. I think his subsequent Post replying to Stan was referring to the fixing the issue of insufficient or poor packaging so that Postal Insurance might cover the damage. And perhaps a hope that Elon Musk could fix the problem of the USPS handling packages roughly. It was you DimmyW, who brought up repairing it with JB Weld. Lloyd didn't even acknowledge that silly idea. But he did reply to SXS 40's offer to look for one if he could provide the dimensions.

Stan then QUOTED you, and replied that he uses JB Weld a lot, and also opined that it wouldn't be a good solution for repairing this shattered buttplate, because the colors and textures wouldn't match without painting the entire buttplate. I happen to agree with Stan. JB Weld has a place, but using it to repair nice old doubles isn't it.

I also think you are psychotic, and are once again seeing things in Posts that were never said. I also knew that the mere mention of Global Warming would trigger you into another insane rant, which is always entertaining. I just look at the historical data from the National Weather Service, where one can easily see that last year was not the hottest year on record since 1850. There are lots of Chicken Little's who think the sky is falling. With you Dimmy, a piece of it obviously did fall, and hit you in the head causing brain damage. Every time I used my snowblower, or shoveled snow, or paid the gas bill this past winter, I thought about you saying last year was the hottest year on the planet (since 1850), and I laughed.

Since you seem very concerned about how many Threads get locked after I make a post, I think you should contact Dave Weber to ask him about it. And ask yourself this brainchild... If my posts are the major cause of Dave locking Threads, why doesn't he simply ban me, or just delete my posts that you and your fellow Libtards find so offensive? He can do that you know.

Oh, one other thing Dimmy dimwit... I don't care how many doubles you may have bought in the last year. If you support and vote for anti-gunners... knowing they have strong anti-gun voting records... then you are yourself an anti-gunner. If you have a pipe leaking, you hire a Plumber, not an Electrician. And if you really wish to preserve Gun Rights, you wouldn't hire a devout anti-gun Democrat... unless you were severely retarded. We elect people who we think will represent our interests. Real Gun Guys aren't stupid enough to elect those who proclaim their anti-2nd Amendment attitudes and their intentions to enact more anti-gun laws or gun bans. So the anti-gun shoe fits you as perfectly as Cinderella's glass slipper fit her.

Now, if I'm real lucky, Dave will lock this Thread, and you will pop another giant hemorrhoid over it.


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