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This one I think is on the right site. 16 sxs with 9.3x72r Drilling. Would like to Know all I can about this but without name one side "trade" gun? Want all information I can get for my gun book I put together for each gun. If this is wrong Thread will repost like I did for the Gibbs I put here which was wrong. Just learning.[img]http://https://imgur.com/mQFiBgb[/img][img]https://imgur.com/a/KZekVJ0[/img][img]https://imgur.com/a/KZekVJ0[/img][img]https://imgur.com/a/KZekVJ0[/img][img]https://imgur.com/a/KZekVJ0[/img][img]https://imgur.com/a/KZekVJ0[/img][img]https://imgur.com/a/KZekVJ0[/img][img]https://imgur.com/a/KZekVJ0[/img][img]https://imgur.com/a/KZekVJ0[/img][img]https://imgur.com/a/KZekVJ0[/img]


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They're all the same picture. It is the "Nitro" stamp from the Suhl proof house. It means the drilling is proofed for smokeless powder.


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Well, it looks to be an Ernst Kerner, who just was not related to Emil Kerner. Just 2 Kerner Büchsenmacher's related only by trade. The drilling platform for a 13 gramme bullet 1st passed thru the Suhl Proof Facility in June of 1924 and then again in March, 1926. Interesting that the tubes have Nitro on the outside but the proof date is the mid 1920s.

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Suhl used a Ledger # just like Zella Sankt Blasii-Mehlis from September 1923 till mid 1924, or there was a renovation of the Suhl Proof Facility(but info suggests that was in say 1921) and Suhl wares were sent to the Z-M Proof Facility.

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There should be another set of script >>EK<< initials on the standing breech?

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I stand corrected. Being unfamiliar with imgur I didn't know to scroll down.


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[img]https://imgur.com/a/zBTA6qf[/img][img]https://imgur.com/a/zBTA6qf[/img]
I hope these help! thinking trade rifle since no name. but was thinking the Fancy K and maybe the K.M.C. could give clues of maker and age.
This is A really nice clean Drilling. I acceptate the information i receive as I really do not Know much about the ones I post but I am making a folder for each one so when I pass my son and Grandson will understand what they have. I have seen too many collections of 40-50 years were the family was overwhelmed and had no Idea what anything was or what if the had the right information they would have kept or sold. I can not let that happen to my loved ones!
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Yes, Emil Kerner(not Ernst Kerner) with the Hahn platform making its 1st pass thru the Suhl Proof Facility in 1924 and then again in 1926. Not sure why on the double pass, but the Suhl ledger would shed some light.

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Thank You Raimey for the information. This helps me!
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Too, the >>K.m.G.<< denotes „ Kupfermantelgeschoss“ or Copper(thin) Jacketed Bullet. This tells you what type bullet along with the weight was used @ proof.

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Wow, Thanks I thought that might have been the marks of who sold it! Shows how little I know.
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