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Can anyone tell me about this scope. Who made it, what model. I have had it for years and assumed it was a Fecker with the midships parallax adjustment ala' Fecker. Mounts are stamped J. Unertl. There is no other mark on it. No power, no manufacture's name, nothing. I have always assumed it was a Woodchucker - but it is not on closer look and comparison to someone elses' real Woodchucker. It is 20 5/16" long with a 1.75" objective that is deeply recessed as if it was a sunshade, but it is not. Tube diameter is 0.77" - or at least slightly more than 3/4", actually, very close to 40 mm. And strangest of all, at least to me, is that the scope is aluminum and very light. Mounts are 1/4 MOA via standard 7.2" spacing. It is an excellent scope of low-moderate power. But I see nothing in Strobel's book that describes it by Unertl or Fecker. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/w0syjCu.jpg)
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...Tube diameter is 0.77" - or at least slightly more than 3/4", actually, very close to 40 mm. ... Did you mean to say 20 mm .787" dia?
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...Tube diameter is 0.77" - or at least slightly more than 3/4", actually, very close to 40 mm. ... Did you mean to say 20 mm .787" dia? Yup.
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Because??? You have seen other labeled Feckers with aluminum housing? Because you have a catalog with a 20 5/16" long 1.75 objective model listed? Nothing in Stroebel's book comes close. I have had people say with equal authority, and no documentation/credentials that it is a Unertl. And then a handful of other makers have been offered up as having copied it.
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Almost all Fecker scopes use the central focus adjustment, and no other maker used that. Surprised the mounts don't have Fecker stamped into them? I own quite a few Fecker scopes as they're my favorite because of the center adjustment. But a couple years ago at the CGCS Greeley show I found my first Fecker without center focus! So far I've been unable to find anyone with vintage scope knowledge whose ever seen a Fecker like it.
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Almost all Fecker scopes use the central focus adjustment, and no other maker used that. Surprised the mounts don't have Fecker stamped into them? I own quite a few Fecker scopes as they're my favorite because of the center adjustment. But a couple years ago at the CGCS Greeley show I found my first Fecker without center focus! So far I've been unable to find anyone with vintage scope knowledge whose ever seen a Fecker like it. The Unertl stamp on the mounts is not uncommon. Fecker used Unertl mounts for a while after John left the company. I have had a couple of others so marked, and they are well known. I have never seen a Fecker that is anywhere close to 20 5/16" long, or a Fecker with a 1.75" objective, or a Fecker or Unertl with an aluminum housing, or a Fecker without the name on it somewhere. Never seen one without a center parallax either. So weird stuff is out there. One guy on a Vintage Scope Facebook group says he has rewired several like it, but I am doubtful they are exactly like it. He did not have any other details. Now one else on two vintage scope groups has seen one like it. Feckers are also my favorite for the same reason is they are your favorite. Unertl made one scope with center adjustment. The Small Game scope. I have one, and they are pretty common. As far as I can tell, either this is a one-off prototype by Fecker or someone one made a semi-clone of a Fecker. I should examine the center focus more closely and compare numbering and gradations and see if it stands out in this way too. Regardless of who made it, it is a fantastic scope.
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Fecker employed John Unertl for years until Unertl quit to start his own business making scopes. Early on Unertll scopes came with Fecker mounts as they were friends still and Fecker supplied Unertl mounts. I've seen more early Unertl scopes with Fecker mounts than Fecker scopes with Unertl mounts. I can't imagine why Fecker would ever buy Unertl mounts for his scopes since he was making mounts much longer? I have seen some Fecker scopes with other maker's mounts, but I doubt Fecker put them on those scopes. It's been suggested my Fecker marked scope without center adjustment might have also been some prototype Fecker was experimenting with, and never made it into production? I'll probably never know since records don't exist for Fecker, and very little advertising was done as compared to vast advertising done by Unertl, and very good records.
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I believe Fecker continued to outsource mounts from Unertl from time to time.
But it is certainly possible that these are not original to the scope.
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