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I agree with Ford as that is most probable. But my sources are suggesting Rott made it, which I am hard pressed to accept.

The steel type has a trademark & the sight cut into the associated verbiage. I will search for that icon.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Many times identifying these odd, unique platforms(& some not so novel) comes down to an Ockham's Razor approach as there was just so much masking in advertising.. But there were several evidently.

https://waffen-pfandleihhaus.de/beschreibungen/964.html

Serbus,


Raimey
rse

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...-3x74r-double-rifle.cfm?gun_id=102908478

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...rifle--375-sidelock.cfm?gun_id=102454637

Looks like ole Rottweil was in the business? And they had catalogues:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/275154527289?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110018%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D278303%2C276650%26meid%3De145eb8246c64ba5a3fd8d7728514e80%26pid%3D101875%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D301603091379%26itm%3D275154527289%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2332490%26algv%3DCompVIDesktopATF2V6&_trksid=p2332490.c101875.m2219&itmprp=cksum%3A275154527289e145eb8246c64ba5a3fd8d7728514e80%7Cenc%3AAQAJAAAA8Lx1mZQ2L9jLv%252BUPTFTna8XcGfl2wNJcn022gtZb5sDimNW6YTjFua%252B8SQFOxoA9HXaNt3ZwbRzyNxxGC4hSBvE7aJ2rYQrisOWnF3JTUt9%252B1q4NzzKWdW0bhingqzVXaxrVjV3NCx4lC%252FmG%252BAwrRR%252BSmq0szHz9HNv3p03NFecgxaxl9KrS%252Fqbw1O5m%252F2K%252FYDVjSs%252FyLSPkk5YKRiFt26HBDQomSRNVJcUiDCQ6wby0zv3%252BlyQpdVoGRmP1FhJAC8Lr7VClBfQWp9%252BGxzRs1NAx6%252BLkZxaxaGlMCD%252F1QJwmlMChuxUlp5teozWPVPuuJw%253D%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2332490&itmmeta=01JF3G0RXVV6H5QHJ7FHGT81XK

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Thank you very much - the Heym is a spitting image of what I have in the basement - down to the scope, QD claw mounts and recoil pad. You have to wonder if the patent wasn't shared.

You are correct the front saddle appears to be installed over the full steel description - but I thought I'd stick to what's visible.

Again my thanks - now I can go on the search for Heym Mod.225 schematics!


https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/squg...rlkey=cydbv22gbg8eqexd0eltwi1qe&dl=0

Have a good weekend.

The barrel steel type just may be >>Spezial Laufstahl Bochumer Verein<< or some variant. Being made in the West, I do not think there were a lot of barrel steel variety and I am not sure just how many steel types were available?

I believe the following text is in the J.P. Sauer Text:


>>The Model S/53 Drilling was sold by Sauer from May 1953 onwards. It used a special new barrel hammering process which Sauer first started using in December 1952. (This was one of the reasons Weatherby went to Sauer to make his rifles, so he could boast he was the first to market this cold-hammering process in the US). It also meant that the barrels were particularly smooth, increasing their longevity. This process had been developed at the Berlin-Lübeck engineering works for manufacture of military weapons towards the end of the war and when Walter Spiegelberg bought Alket/Borsig hammer machines, Sauer were subsequently the first hunting gun manufacturer to offer this feature. The first produced Sauer Drillings were quickly sold out.

Apart from this, I think the post-war Sauer Drilling was little different to the pre-war Model 30 Drilling except for some cosmetic differences.

The Allies forade(forbade?) the use of the name Krupp on the barrels after 1945, so these were stamped instead (in German) Bochumer Association special barrel steel. Bochum was the place where this steel was produced. The history of the type of steel goes back to 1893 when the high-quality chrome-molybdenum steel was jointly developed by Sauer and Krupp and initially Sauer used it exclusively.......<<

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I think Ford was the assistant to the tube maker @ Heym in the 1970s, so he might tell us who was making the tubes?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

This looks to be a Geco stamp??

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Would you pleasure us with an image of an expanded view of the two marks?

I am curious if either read
Bochumer Verein für Bergbau und Gußstahlfabrikation.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

As requested. The mark on the right may be a scratch not a marking.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/icch...rlkey=rq6ce87nkkpqmjxxia9uhzgx6&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ox46...rlkey=nl5851aljqcw21qu2mx7wculb&dl=0

All the best

During the time the subject gun (as well as the two double rifles, sold by Guns International, linked above) was made Heym used "Krupp Special Laufstahl" and made their own hammer forged barrels at the Muennerstadt plant. There is no doubt about this as it was a strong point of their advertising, and you could clearly hear the "hammers" running in the plant. There is little to no doubt, in my mind, that the combo gun and both double rifles were made by Heym for marketing by Rottweil. I was not an assistant to the tube maker at Heym (although I would have been proud to have been), I was only a friend and customer of three different "Meisters" in the hunting gun section at Heym covering the 1960s through 80s-time frame. During this time the leadership was by August Heym, then Mauser after his death, then the Widow Heym after litigation returned it to the family. This transition resulted in several Heym manufactured products being marketed by others under their names, including automobile parts and artillery sub-caliber training devices (since I had used them in training, I recognized them being manufactured in the plant), as well as the Mauser branded 2000, 3000, and 4000 series bolt action rifles. I believe the combination gun under consideration here was one of those products.
Mike