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I read that this mark is to signify any french gun not made in St. E. I thought it was Francottes mark also but read differently? Square has 16c and measures such.
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No, it is just the gauge stamp of a Rhombus being a Belgian gauge mark. I am just used to seeing the Oval version....
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The A F is what I was speaking of.
I read that this mark is to signify any french gun not made in St. E. I thought it was Francottes mark also but read differently?
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No, no, no.... that mark isn't >>AR. ETR<< or >>ARME ENTRANGERRE<< but rather Auguste Francotte's Trademark.
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There aren't any French Proofmarks on the longarm, unless you stretch it a bit saying that Bernard was the Paris Proof Facility & his marks would be French Proofmarks.
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Sources give Bernard was rolling about 2000 tubes per year.
In 1885 France abolished the need for Proof and was established again on July 30th, 1897. The Paris facility wasn't formed until November 7th, 1895 and France didn't sign on to the International Proof Conference until 1914, which was disrupted by the 1st Major Disagreement in Europe. I think it was 1923 before they convened again?
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Great I have no problem with Francotte.
Barrels on this gun measure roughly .060 thick 9 inches out. I check with vinegar after that measurement but they are definitely fluid steel. With its 15” lop and 7/8” extension (will be removed and horn butt installed) 29.5” barrels it weighs 6.25lbs.
Will be a wonderful dove gun. Very happy with this one! Hope the guyot comes in with same luck!
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I would say that G-R sent the Bernard tubeset to Auguste Francotte & he did the heavy lifting. Remember Francotte looks to be the Anson & Deeley Body Action APUN Satellite Stamping Station and he would have actions......
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I would like to know about the adornment; is it Belgian, typical A&F, or French?
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