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It sure looks like Francotte was supplying GR with a partiality finished action and barrels?
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Too, I wonder if the standing breech wears an APUN for the A&D Body Action, Belts & Braces?
I wouldn't say Francotte supplied or sourced the tubes, but Francotte was a major player on the world stage of sporting arms. What I would say is that G-R supplied the tubes that had been set back a decade earlier and maybe a few other parts, just short of a Gesteck(parts kit) & commissioned Francotte to cobble it all together for them. No doubt the sporting platform was assembled and pass thru the Liège Proof Facility, but the sporting platform is pretty much a continental version mainly under the French Speaking Mechanic Banner.
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If the number on the lower rib is 36k, then that will extend the Léopold Bernard tube making by his wife a couple more years into the 1900s.... I do wonder what her quality control(QA/QC) might have been???
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Gene: the Perron just indicates Banc d’Epreuves de Liege There were 3 provings and the Perron could be applied each time, but typically just at the 3rd proof:
First Obligatory (Provisional) Proof Load for “Double-Barreled Breech-Loading Sporting Guns” - breech plugged tubes Marked with Script EL AND a controller’s identification mark.
Second Obligatory Proof - joined barrels, fine bored and finished. Controller's mark
Third Obligatory (Definitive) Proof - finished barrels attached to finished action. ELG mark in an oval; crowned after 1893 (for breechloading guns) AND a controller’s identification mark.
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The Francotte version of this gun has shown up several times at 4 times what I paid for this one and those were 12s. Wood will be pretty nice after refinish also. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/7ZT7l7J.jpeg) Hope she helps you fellows with Your Leopold Bernard data.
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If you will keep purchasing sporting gun platforms with Bernard tubes, we will eventually figure it out.....
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Funny I won the Guyot minutes after you posted this last one above. I feel pretty lucky today!
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Here are better pics of barrel flats. Bores still measure .675 and chokes are .012 .038 and are pit free. Chambers measure 65mm ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/j1YLSgU.jpeg) This one will be very nice after restoration of wood and metal finish. Still tight and functional.
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Look @ Francotte's mark @ the bottom... He was the one who toted it thru the Liège Proof Facility. Can you post a better photo of the stamp of the square below the Perron? Francotte was the one who cobbled it all together.
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