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Has anyone seen this before ? What is it called?

it looks decadently frenchy...

may the gods save us from french design and engineering...

Double proofed 12 gauge non ejector by Sanner and Company. Has enough choke in the left tube they don’t want you running pumpkin ball slugs through it. What they called the action I don’t know, but, they work, and are not common.

There were many designs the market tested. Some sold, some, didn’t.






The Model C and Model A Darne guns, unusual as they are, were actually good sellers, and performed well. I’ve never shot a Sanner, but, maybe it would be just fine. That Darne double rifle up there was built on the earlier, 1894 Model R patent.

An article on the Sanner:

https://2man.org/hunting/shotgun-sanner-c-ie-12-gauge-with-block-valve-and-fixed-trunks.html

The article is translated from Russian, I believe, and not perfect, but, is a good enough reference from where we stand.

God save the world from ed’s torch.

Best,
Ted

That’s good stuff, Ted. Thanks Lots of good work seemed to go into the Sanner guns.

You are welcome. All that said, I’m not looking to own one.

Best,
Ted

Definitely French! Some adaptation on the Nagant rolling block design but without the heavy spring.

https://www.galeriedemars.fr/catalo...alibre-12-65-st-etienne-france-xixe.html

Edouard Sanner est né dans le Haut-Rhin en 1859. A son arrivée à Saint-Etienne, il a probablement travaillé un temps à la Manufacture nationale d'armes, avant de devenir chef d'atelier chez les frères Clair.
Il dépose plusieurs brevets : le 24 mai 1902 sous le n° 163.477 pour un « nouveau fusil à canons fixes et une seule détente » et le 9 octobre 1902 sous le n° 326.181 pour un « nouveau système de fusil à canons fixes ». La première addition à ce brevet est déposée le 21 janvier 1905. Un de ces modèles de fusil est présenté comme un « fusil à canon fixe et bloc circulaire démontable modèle 1908 ».
Edouard Sanner dépose également la dernière version de son brevet en Russie le 19 janvier 1905, en Belgique le 21 janvier 1905, en Allemagne le 23 janvier 1905 et en Angleterre le 25 janvier 1905.
Après avoir été autorisé à faire pratiquer des essais de son fusil au Banc d'Epreuve en avril 1903, Edouard Sanner obtient une médaille de vermeil à l'exposition des inventions nouvelles de Paris en 1903 et la médaille d'or du Prix Escoffier en 1904. Il s'associe pour la production de ses armes et installe l'atelier au 41 de la rue des Francs-Maçons à Saint-Etienne.
Les blocs de culasse, d'abord forgés aux Forges stéphanoises, sont ensuite commandés aux Forges et Aciéries de Firminy. Plusieurs variantes de ce fusil existent puisque que Sanner ne va cesser de lui apporter des perfectionnements.
On estime à prêt de 500 exemplaires le nombre de fusils produits jusqu'en 1910, date à laquelle la production est abandonnée.
Ses fils, Jean et Jacques, associés dans une petite affaire de mécanique générale installée au 29 de la rue des Armuriers, tentent de relancer la fabrication de ce fusil en 1952. Ils utilisent le stock de pièces et d'outillage encore en leur possession. Ils fabriquent une petite centaine d'un fusil Sanner simplifié.

Je rajoute à ce texte que la production de ce fusil a cessé en 1910.
En 1911, Sanner a émigré aux États-unis où il est décédé en 1928 (à Hollywood).


Ted, si j'ai le moindre renseignement sur ta demande, je t'en ferai part.

A rough translation of Fab’s knowledgeable post:

Edouard Sanner was born in the Haut-Rhin in 1859. Upon his arrival in Saint-Etienne, he probably worked for a while at the Manufacture nationale d'armes, before becoming workshop manager for the Clair brothers.

He filed several patents: on May 24, 1902 under No. 163.477 for a "new gun with fixed barrels and a single trigger" and on October 9, 1902 under No. 326.181 for a "new rifle system with fixed barrels". The first addition to this patent was filed on January 21, 1905. One of these gun models is presented as a "fixed barrel gun and removable circular block model 1908".

Edouard Sanner also filed the latest version of his patent in Russia on January 19, 1905, in Belgium on January 21, 1905, in Germany on January 23, 1905 and in England on January 25, 1905.

After being allowed to practice tests of his gun at the Banc d'Epreuve in April 1903, Edouard Sanner obtained a vermeil medal at the Paris New Inventions Exhibition in 1903 and the Gold Medal of the Escoffier Prize in 1904. He joined forces for the production of his weapons and installed the workshop at 41 rue des Francs-Maçons in Saint-Etienne.

The cylinder head blocks, first forged at the Forges Stéphanoises, were then ordered at the Forges et Aciéries de Firminy. Several variants of this gun exist since Sanner will not stop bringing improvements to it.

The number of guns produced until 1910, when production was abandoned, was estimated to be 500 copies.

His sons, Jean and Jacques, partners in a small general mechanics business installed at 29 rue des Armuriers, tried to relaunch the manufacture of this rifle in 1952. They use the stock of parts and tools still in their possession. They make a hundred simplified Sanner rifle.

I add to this text that the production of this gun ceased in 1910.

In 1911, Sanner emigrated to the United States where he died in 1928 (in Hollywood).

Ted, if I have any information about your request, I will let you know.







Merci’, Fab.

Ted