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well, since 1914, duh gubmint been rippin us off wid dat damn income tax...

hit wuz Neva sposed to go higher dan 2 per cent...but look at hit now...

talkin bout sin...watt say you doc drew?

Preacher, did you feel you were being helpful or encouraging when you repeatedly posted the same few images of small bore Ithaca Flues shotguns with cracked frames... without knowing or revealing how or why they cracked? Or were you simply being a narcissist who was once again attempting to portray himself as a double shotgun expert... an "expert" with a large collection of pictures, but very limited hands-on experience? How about you making the same false observation about frame cracking in Fox Sterlingworth guns? You had no idea what the root cause of the Fox guns' cracking issue was until I directed you to Dewey Vicknair's analysis of the problem.

As you have finally noticed, Dewey gave poor reviews to a number of machine made American doubles, perhaps none worse than the L.C. Smith guns you like. Dewey did not say that Ithaca Flues doubles were especially prone to frame cracking when fired with appropriate loads. I certainly did not say they were the finest designed, engineered, and built double shotgun. But unlike you, I did not try to create a false narrative that they were prone to cracking under normal use. It didn't take a lot of research on my part to determine that when details surrounding Flues guns with cracked frames was available, it was virtually always due to severe abuse in the form of excessive loads, or stress caused by doubling with heavy high brass field loads, as we saw in one example.

I find it amusing that you sought refuge and salvation in Dewey Vicknair's review of the Ithaca Flues gun, when only a few weeks ago, you said this about his views of the sloppy barrel joining of Model 21's:

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So for today, Dewey is your hero and savior... but just weeks ago, you were frantically searching for every photo you could find of the lumps on Model 21 barrels... just so you could prove him wrong. Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?

We could all go on and on about whether Argo44 has the right to complain about the listing price of a shotgun on G.I., or whether Ed needs phony pastoral preaching from you concerning his equal right to admonish Argo44 for complaining about Free Market Capitalism. You say you have no hatred for Ed, but you sure seem to home in on him and his perceived faults. I picked out two very revealing points from your last paragraph.


You say you have no hatred for Ed... then later go on to say you still maintain your collection of pictures that you repeatedly used to drag his name through the dirt. What conclusions can we draw from that? And you had absolutely nothing to say about those who are apparently cheating Dave via their Free Tagline Advertising??? Were Ed's words to Argo44 worse behavior than that? Will you join me in asking them to simply tell us if they are paying Dave the $12.00 fee for each and every sale made as a result of that Free Advertising? Or does your church approve of and bless theft by deception?

I note that you once again mention your disapproval on my use of the word Libtard (which is very appropriate for Liberal Left gun owners who vote for anti-gun Democrats). Why do you act so offended, but you never once answered me when I asked why you never complained when a couple of your pals here used the word "Retard"???? It's interesting that you keep saying you aren't afraid of me Preacher. But I have never given you any reason to be afraid of me. You sound like someone who lives in fear. I believe that what you are truly afraid of is being seen as a phony and a hypocrite who hides behind Scripture. Dewey reviews shotguns, and I review phonies like you.

SKB Monkey Stevie, I noticed that you were triggered into sending me another Spam PM, and now a Post to announce it. I didn't mention any names, so it appears you feel guilty of something...

As you should be well aware by now, I do not open any PM's from you, because you act pure and innocent here, and totally different when hiding behind your PM's. I have no complaints that I wish to discuss privately with anyone who acts so dishonestly. Why would I ???

I have been asking you the same very simple question for months. And you have been cowering and hiding behind a long string of vulgar Spam PM's for months. Here it is again:

As one of the members here who engages in Free Advertising of your for-profit business ventures in your Tagline, are you paying Dave Weber the customary $12.00 fee for each and every sale resulting from that continual Free Advertising?

The people who sell things here and then pay Dave the modest $12.00 fee he requests do so on the Honor System. Don't you want potential customers to know whether or not you are honorable or have the same integrity as guys like Ed is demonstrating here, while advertising his guns in the proper For Sale Forum?


There is no good reason to continue dancing around your Festivus Pole to avoid this simple question... except for cowardice, or if you have something to hide. Either way, if I did ever make the mistake of repeating this same simple question in a PM, I would post your reply publicly anyway.

So it's time for scared little SKB Monkey Stevie to take his/her tail from between her legs and answer the question. You don't want the Preacher to give you one of his stern and righteous sermons, because I'm sure he's busy working on one full of Fire and Brimstone! We all saw him say it yesterday when he posted these quotes, so surely he won't play favorites concerning any sinners who may be taking advantage of Dave:

Drop any digit after the first and I would still not be interested. Asking and getting are vastly different things here.

Try 1861, ed.

Call me Princess if you care to discuss your grievances. All my best Karen. I'll send you a pm with contact info.
Steve

You've lost this one keith and have to know it
You know perfectly well ed's motivation in defending the right of a gun seller to misrepresent a gun
You know that there were design issues with the Flues model
Playing the victim is unbecoming of an adult male, and "somebody said something mean to me and no one said anything" is getting old. You are an adult and can defend yourself...as an adult
Your hatred for me has nothing to do with hypocrisy. And as previously said, unlike yourself, I'm not hiding my identity.
Living on hate (and hateful and hurtful words and memes ie the special needs school bus) is a bad way to go through life keith
Find some peace and healing, if not for yourself, for your family

Sorry Preacher, but I'm not going to allow you to twist things again.

The seller of the Reilly that Argo44 complained about did not misrepresent the gun. He did not hide the flaws, the refinishing, the stock extension, etc. So once again, you are dragging someone through the dirt in order to justify your behavior. This time, you are accusing the seller of misrepresentation.... all to justify attacking Ed again. It was Argo44's opinion/complaint that he overpriced it, and was engaged in profiteering. So what? Don't buy it! There are thousands of overpriced guns on the internet. Maybe you and Argo44 should start hundreds of new Threads here every day to complain about overpriced guns. At least it would be more sanitary and dignified than dumpster diving for fired Shotshells to chart the difference in their lengths.

My research shows that contacting chewing tobacco spit in Skeet Range Trash Cans may lead to Involuntary Head Turning and Computer Mouse Dystonia. The Involuntary Head Turning may also be due to demonic possession.-- reference: "The Exorcist" 1973.

I never said the Flues is a "Best" gun. It was an affordable machine made gun. The frames of a very small number out of the nearly 200,000 produced cracked when subjected to abuse and/or overloads. A great many have survived after firing modern heavy field loads that most here would advise not using in vintage doubles. As far as design issues, I'd bet that a lot more L.C. Smith's have been junked or parted out due to cracked stocks than Ithaca Flues have been junked due to cracked frames. The Flues was a light field gun that was not built to fire artillery rounds, and their survival rate appears no worse than average vintage doubles when used properly. You could have been truthful, and said that, but you chose to advance a mythical narrative... in your zeal to appear as a shotgun expert.

Ed wasn't wrong or sinful to confront Argo44 for sticking his nose into that sellers' business. We all know you have your precious collection of photos you've used to attack Ed about some guns he sold in the past. But it's been several years since Ed has done anything except purchase and take in used guns on consignment, and then sell them. When he sells items here, he pays Dave the $12.00 fee, which may not be true in the case of our Free Tagline Advertisers. They plead the Fifth on that simple question, or respond with vulgar Spam PM's as if consumed with guilt. Do you have evidence that Ed is misrepresenting the guns he sells, that might justify you confronting him with your weird little "silence in the face of evil..." lecture? Just who is living on hate here??? There's your hypocrisy, which I spoke of. It had nothing to do with my hatred of you.... which I freely admit to... a trait you totally lack.

You know my identity Preacher. You know where I live, my phone number, my email address, etc. I post using my given name as a screen name, and nothing more is needed or required. I just happen to think it's much worse to hide behind Scripture, than for anyone here to hide their identity. A quick look at the Member List will show you that the majority of members here do not use their full names. You have made the phony statement that if we all used our full names, it would stop personal attacks. And I observed that even though you knew James M's (formerly Italiansxs) full name, and had even hunted with him and his wife, that did not stop you from personally attacking him. Phony Hypocrite that you are, you never explained that. And I expect you never will.

You also neglected to explain why you are so triggered by the word Libtard, yet never once confronted your pals who repeatedly used the words "retard" or "retarded". I didn't expect you would... because of your hypocritical double standards. Your replies are more evasive than Kamala Harris and "I was raised in a middle class family..."

That double standard thing is also why I never really expected that you would actually preach a Sermon to the Free Tagline Advertisers here. I wasn't asking you to defend me, and I wasn't playing the victim. I was simply killing two birds with one stone. I thought you might be intelligent enough to understand that... but I thought wrong.

Just for giggles Preacher, do you think it is either cheating or sinful for any Tagline Free Advertiser here to neglect to pay Dave that little $12.00 fee for each and every sale made as a result of that Free Advertising???? I'm going to go out on a limb and predict you won't weigh in on that either. You and SKB Monkey Stevie can both hide behind his/her Festivus Pole.

I'm glad you brought up living on hate again, and the special needs school bus memes I've used to describe some really mentally challenged gun owners who continue to support anti-gun Democrats. I have my targets, and you have yours. I admit that... you can't. I already pointed out your continued attacks on Ed, and your Photo Evidence file you saved to denigrate him over and over, so stop the innocent act. It's very easy to think of more of your targets, such as Francis (R.I.P.) and Pine Creek Dave (who just might have some of those mental issues you pretend to be concerned about). I haven't forgotten how you repeatedly targeted Miller (R.I.P.) just because you were angry and unable to disprove his Biblical readings on slavery. I think you ought to look in a mirror and repeat the last two lines of your Post to yourself, and think about your own need to finally stop living on hate, find forgiveness for Ed and your other targets, and seek peace and healing.

But you won't. You'll just go on hiding and pretending you are wonderful and holy, and others are the problem.

The only difference between me and you Preacher, is that I can admit to being a sinner who hasn't forgiven many of my enemies. You never will, because you think you are something special. I've explained why I call you "Preacher". It isn't out of reverence or respect. It is simple mockery, because I see your high and mighty (and hypocritical) behavior here. Calling you Preacher is like calling MSNBC a factual and trustworthy news source.

This thread has devolved into the stupidest dialog seen here in years, starting with Ed's defense of the ridiculous, then moving to the notion that criticizing a gun's design isn't fair to the gun. The crowning stupidity though has to be anyone who supports Trump and complains about Keith. The only difference between Keith and Trump is size. Their values, their rhetoric, their attitudes are identical. Keith just operates from this tiny soapbox

Nothing useful to add, eh RMB? As usual, nothing but bashing.