doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Sold for $200 in UK, advertised in US for $15K

argo, it occurs to me that you are doing the seller a dis service here, by effectively killing his business here...

and it is his business not yours...

It occurs to me ed:

Ella Wheeler Wilcox, “Protest”, in "Poems of Problems"
https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/protest
To sin by silence, when we should protest, Makes cowards out of men.


Robert K. Hudnut "A Sensitive Man and the Christ", 1971
Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
(Attributed to Dietrich Bonhoeffer but it is not found in any of his letters or works.)

So then Preacher, it appears we are in agreement that I was both correct and virtuous to call you out for besmirtching the good name of Ithaca Gun Co. when you bore false witness against their small bore Flues double shotgun design. You repeatedly posted a few images of small bore Flues frames that were cracked due to abuse and overloads, and attempted to perpetuate the false notion that they were inherently defective. For years, you repeated this same Fake News in this forum, and on other firearms forums, which helped to create a myth that has no basis in facts.

Think of the damage you may have caused, by creating a narrative that probably lowered demand and value of these guns, and caused sellers of small bore Flues guns to suffer lower prices. Think of the shooters who may have developed a flinch, expecting their old gun to break while shooting. Think of the Flues owners who may have switched to pumps or autoloaders because they no longer trust their old double. We've seen no repentance from you for misleading us... only a silence which speaks volumes.

I think posing as an expert and posting misinformation like that is a lot worse than Ed admonishing Argo44 for complaining that a G.I. gun seller may be over-pricing his wares. In Free Market Capitalism, any seller is free to ask whatever price he wishes, and the marketplace is free to either buy or not buy.

What would be really wrong or sinful is for the seller to advertise that gun for Free in his tagline here on DoubleGunShop forums, and then neglect to pay Dave the customary $12.00 fee for a successful sale. Perhaps you should consider preaching right from wrong to those here who may be cheating Dave as they brazenly do Free Tagline Advertising of for-profit business ventures. As you said in your quotes, "Silence in the face of evil is itself evil", and "To sin by silence, when we should protest, Makes cowards out of men."

Will you be a coward by casting stones at Ed over a benign little comment, while totally ignoring those who may be guilty of far greater sins??? Is your hatred for Ed that deep??? Is it time for a little introspection???


eeb had it right. The internet is full of over-priced guns and other merchandise that may languish for years. I don't much care for that either. But instead of starting a trend of complaining about every over-priced gun on the internet, Argo44 would do better to complain to those who operate G.I. and other internet gun auction sites.

Karen,
If you have any complaints you care to discuss, please contact me directly. I sent you a PM. All my best Princess.
Steve

Getting cold:

https://ibb.co/4gMwskz

Best,
Ted

Before the thread gets locked, Dewey Vickair on the Flues models. There is a reason Ithaca made the NID. Can we move on now keith?
https://vicknairgunsmithing.blogspot.com/2016/01/
Ithaca - Flues model:
A very simple, crudely executed design that was clearly optimized for mass-production and assembly by unskilled labor, with its round bolt (easier to drill a round hole than cut a square one), coil springs and simple cocking mechanism that sees (basically) the barrel hook directly rotate the tumblers. This system is identical in principal, and similar in execution, to the way a Fox cocks its hammers. Broken cocking lugs on the hammers are a common failure in this gun. Unfortunately, accommodating these internal parts didn't leave an excess of material in the frame. Flues models with cracked or broken frames are not a great rarity, with their very thin sidewalls and minimal, almost token radius at the base of the standing breech, especially in earlier versions. The trigger box, rather than being an integral part of the triggerplate, is a simple U-shaped stamping screwed to the triggerplate, with the wire anti-rattle spring trapped in between, thus ensuring that the screw will loosen over time. The safety pivot post is also a separate part, screwed into the triggerplate. The toplever spring is a coil retained by a headless screw threaded into the top tang, in single shear. The design also lacks any method for drawing the head of the stock up tight to the frame. The design does not appear to be meant to have a long service life. It is truly a vile affront to proper engineering.

No hatred for ed, or you keith. I do despise cowardly bullies, esp. toward the weaker and those with physical and cognitive disabilities (window lickers and libtards?), and narcissists who think we're too dumb to recognize their self-serving motivation (BTW I still have ed's pictures )...and the subset of narcissists whose only joy in (not much of a) life is thinking they have made someone fear them. No one here is afraid of you keith. Maybe try being helpful and encouraging?

the photos are really really bad, its like he's taking pictures of stuff in a dark room with flash on.

You think that is an accident? Dude is trying to collect 14 large on a $350 boxlock.


Best,
Ted

keith said awl dat needs to be said....

"In Free Market Capitalism, any seller is free to ask whatever price he wishes, and the marketplace is free to either buy or not buy..."

an doc drew, i never suggested that argo was being sinful here by killing someones dreams of sum thin fur nuttin...

but, I bet the guy pedlin dat Reilly ain't happy wid argo...

in a spirit of good will, perhaps argo should delete his post here...

or maybe this whole much to do is the result of a typo? should be $1495 and not 14,195?

Well, ed, anybody, including Gene, is entitled to voice his opinion on something like that guys gun listing. Further, it doesn’t matter one little bit if the Riley peddler doesn’t like it, or if he does. Ripping people off isn’t actually constitutionally protected, but, free speech is.
For the moment, anyway.

Best,
Ted