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Overkill, Brent. Not overbuilt. Overkill as in unnecessary, belt and suspenders. From an engineering standpoint either method would be adequate on its own. As stated, most low enders only have a rib extension with the inclined slot. I've never seen one fly open!
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Overkill, Brent. Not overbuilt. Overkill as in unnecessary, belt and suspenders. From an engineering standpoint either method would be adequate on its own. As stated, most low enders only have a rib extension with the inclined slot. I've never seen one fly open! I disagree. Drew just showed us an example.
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Disagree if you like. I imagine there is a lot more story to that broken rib extension than the obvious. By the way the Merkle could suffer similar damage, a rib extension is a rib extension.
I would ask, had the Merkle only had one locking system or the other would you have not bought it? Several other criteria that I look at first. Configuration, fit, condition, weight, balance etc. Would I buy a Merkle, sure! Seek one out solely because of its locking scheme, no.
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Disagree if you like. I imagine there is a lot more story to that broken rib extension than the obvious. By the way the Merkle could suffer similar damage, a rib extension is a rib extension.
I would ask, had the Merkle only had one locking system or the other would you have not bought it? Several other criteria that I look at first. Configuration, fit, condition, weight, balance etc. Would I buy a Merkle, sure! Seek one out solely because of its locking scheme, no.
Chief No I would not have bought it.I would definitely not have bought it, had it only one locking lug or mechanism.
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Westley Richards relied on the top extension alone in their early hammer breech-loaders as well as the first Anson and Deeley actions (seen here in an Edwinson Green c.1880). As I understand it, when a double under bolt is properly fitted the entire load (in the absence of excessive action flexing or some failure) is taken by the rear bite the front bite acting as a reserve. Add a top extension and whether the load is taken by the rear bottom bolt and/or the top extension is a matter of how well fitted each bolt is.
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Thanks Parabola for showing a certainly not low end gun with the inclined slot/doll's head rib extension. For Brent's edification has it ever popped open on firing?
And Brent, I don't believe that, you twist! I believe the Merkle has double underlugs and crossbolt? Not one lug and crossbolt? I remember you have or have had in your estimation a soulless, ugly Ithaca/SKB. Double underlug, rarely single underlug. Still get it out for Grouse?
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Thanks Parabola for showing a certainly not low end gun with the inclined slot/doll's head rib extension. For Brent's edification has it ever popped open on firing?
And Brent, I don't believe that, you twist! I believe the Merkle has double underlugs and crossbolt? Not one lug and crossbolt? I remember you have or have had in your estimation a soulless, ugly Ithaca/SKB. Double underlug, rarely single underlug. Still get it out for Grouse?
Chief You said one locking system. I took that to mean one locking lug. Regardless, I would not shoothe ammo that?I run through my miracle in a two Underlog action. No the s k b does not go grouse hunting or really much of anything else. I sure as hell would not want to hunt turkeys with it although others might. My apologies for the strange verbiage.This voice to text it's not very effective and I don't have time to fix it
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Whew! Happy you explained the voice texting! Thought you'd stripped a gear!
I refer you to page one, Eightbore's post RE double underlugs. He is spot on. I don't think a Win. 21 would balk at about whatever you could fire in it!
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Actually, my grouse gun has only 2 under logs.It is a kimball skimmin and wood british gun. But it shoots only 7/8 oz loads at under sixty five hundred psi.
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Lower grade Merkels do not have underlug locking. They are only held closed by the extensions. And, yes, people buy them.
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