Originally Posted by craigd
Originally Posted by earlyriser
One thing I try to do is be the very best hunter-conservationist I can....

....have stewardship cred that can’t be challenged. If hunters walk—the-walk I think we’ll keep our place on the landscape.
I know beyond any doubt, that your first line is unquestionable for many of us, but I believe we all know there is a shrinking landscape. If hunters walk the walk, shouldn't they have a say in what their place is.

Why won't anyone ask, why were songbirds brought up at this meeting, and what was the motivation? Were songbirds brought up in the context of an entire ecosystem, or as an incidental antihunting point to fire up that base. Does context matter. If any of those who gave you a like, said they've never seen hunting grounds closed due to a non game species lobbying effort, would anyone believe them.

You challenge me to show some empirical evidence and then do so yourself. You are being wilfully obtuse and a great example why the left of centre has been eating the right of centre's lunch for 60 years. You think you can limit the issue to just the US. Or just teenage ecology groups? Simply laughable Craig. I don't know why you are arguing with me about this, as the evidence is everywhere, except an utter unwillingness to concede ANY point to the other side. The Right fails to learn again and again. Why do you think the younger crowd is currently so enamoured with socialism? Despite it's abject failure everywhere at every point in time? It's because it's activists won't give up. They infiltrated our educational system, and through that our media and they won't stop.

I'm making a point about tactics and you respond as though we have different objectives. Nutty!

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