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I have a F25 that is a beautiful gun but I don't shoot it enough because the stock was cut down to 13.5 LOP. MFG approximately 1917 in Birmingham. Started looking at a D grade and on the surface I can't see what makes it a D grade and what makes the F grade. I believe my F grade is based on the Facile Princeps box lock design but not sure of the D grade. I'm sure there is a simply answer but I need to learn it.

I'm pretty sure the D is built on the Anson & Deeley patent. Some A&D guns are filed up to have the appearance of an FP action. You'll see the difference in the cocking system.

Hammergun is certainly correct that the D guns are built on the Anson & Deeley action, and the F guns on the Facile Princeps action. I've only owned a couple Greeners and neither very recently. However, for some reason my mind wants to associate the side safety to the F guns and the tang safety to the D guns.

Larry, I have a Facile P. with a top tang safety, Larry. I don't know if they are as common as on a Deeley action but at least one FP was made with the top tang safe.

Are the “F” guns the Trap model?

And I have an A&D with a side safety. The F guns are "Facile Princeps" designs. Greeners workaround to avoid royalties for using the Anson & Deeley patent. I believe trap guns could be ordered in either design.

Basically all F grades are the same gun, the grades would be difference in the filing up , beads etc. engraving and wood .
In an advert Greener states " D 13 " Improved A & D action, plainly finished .

Greener kept their model designations refreshingly simple.

F are Facile Princeps guns, D are Anson and Deeley and E are Empire guns. FH, DH and EH are the ejector models.

The last 2 digits are the then current price in Guineas. So the F25 (late 1930’s) shown above would have been a F16 in 1904.

Greener preferred their own safety but would build guns to order with the top safe, and often did,

Around the turn of the century, Greener also offered the Monarch model. It seems to have Baker ejectors, but at the moment I cannot remember the mechanical differences from the others. This is a 16 gauge Monarch Imperial, a 70 Guinea gun at the time. Whitworth Fluid Steel barrels.