|
S |
M |
T |
W |
T |
F |
S |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
1
|
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
5
|
6
|
7
|
8
|
|
9
|
10
|
11
|
12
|
13
|
14
|
15
|
|
16
|
17
|
18
|
19
|
20
|
21
|
22
|
|
23
|
24
|
25
|
26
|
27
|
28
|
29
|
|
30
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
3 members (Ted Schefelbein, 2 invisible),
346
guests, and
7
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Forums10
Topics39,560
Posts562,795
Members14,597
| |
Most Online9,918 Jul 28th, 2025
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 12,110 Likes: 381
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 12,110 Likes: 381 |
By 1906 S,D&G gives that they are located @ 302-304 Broadway. By 1905 Lindner made an expansion to his shop and I would say it was in anticipation of Ernst Lindner obtaining his gunmaking Sheepskin, so S,D&G in turn may have done the same which included 304 Broadway. Things are looking very bright but in less that 10 years short years it all goes to Hell in a Handbasket.... Unless there was some odd address change in the same time period?
Serbus,
Raimey rse
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 12,110 Likes: 381
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 12,110 Likes: 381 |
No, that's not correct as I found an advert for Oktober 1899 & April of 1900 and S,D&G give 302-304, Corner of Duane as a location.
Serbus,
Raimey rse
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,467 Likes: 345
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,467 Likes: 345 |
Penn Arms may be one of the many gun names put on Forehand or Forehand and Wadsworth guns. One might add Hopkins and Allen to the list of possibles, and Shattuck, too.
Last edited by Daryl Hallquist; 02/04/24 10:15 AM.
|
|
1 member likes this:
Drew Hause |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,777 Likes: 467
Sidelock
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,777 Likes: 467 |
Thanks Daryl. My confusion is that the boxlock does not appear to have a sculpted frame 1899 Sears catalog ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/US-Makers/US-Makers/i-4hRB2hc/0/961fee86/L/Forehand%20Sear%20No.%20107%201899-L.png)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,777 Likes: 467
Sidelock
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,777 Likes: 467 |
keith makes a good point regarding the price point of turn-of-the-century fluid steel (damascus was actually more expensive) entry level doubles Smith No. 00, Remington 1900, Steven No. 350, Ithaca No. 1 Special, Baker Leader, Lefever Dursten Special, Torkelson B grade & the A.J. Aubrey No. 55 were all about $25 Prices fell a few dollars after "The Panic of 1907" The Crescent double, N.R. Davis B.S., Stevens 335 & H&A were about $15, as was the Hunter Arms Fulton S.D.&G. "Manhattan Arms Co." in 1912 The Parker Trojan was introduced in 1912 at $27.50 and the Sterlingworth was $25 in 1915. By 1919 both the Parker Trojan and the Fox Sterlingworth were listed at $55. In 1922 Fox dropped the price of the Sterlingworth to $48, then in 1926 down to $36.50.
$25 in 1900 would be about $900 today; more than the CZ Bobwhite and TriStar Bristol
The Penn Arms Co. is not a N.R. Davis which also had a sculpted frame and different top rib extension
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,467 Likes: 345
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,467 Likes: 345 |
Drew, by sculpted frame do you mean not a straight flat back where the receiver meets the stock ? If so, Forend models could have flat backs, even in higher grades.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,467 Likes: 345
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,467 Likes: 345 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,777 Likes: 467
Sidelock
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,777 Likes: 467 |
I'm probably using the wrong term Daryl, but am referring to the fact that the side of the action is flat 1904 H&A Forehand ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/US-Makers/US-Makers/i-tVzpFkh/0/c4a84cb7/M/Hopkins%20%26%20Allen%201904%20Top%20Rib%20Extension-M.jpg) The top rib extension might be a clue that you are correct ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/US-Makers/US-Makers/i-6KX43ch/0/43c5aec1/S/SD%26G%20Penn%20Arms%20Co.%20Top%20Rib%20Extension-S.jpg)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,777 Likes: 467
Sidelock
|
OP
Sidelock
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,777 Likes: 467 |
That top rib extension sure looks like the one a Lindner Daly SBT ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Trap-Skeet/SBTs/i-jGr9h7k/0/1e39a21d/M/Diamond%20lock-up-M.jpg) SD&G did some shady stuff, and I'll bet the "Complete American" wasn't
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,467 Likes: 345
Sidelock
|
Sidelock
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 6,467 Likes: 345 |
Drew, I think it is possible that the illustration of the Penn is not done clearly or very well. When I think of it , a flat side on a gun like that would not match up with the forend Iron. There almost has to be a narrowing of the bar near the hinge.
|
|
1 member likes this:
Drew Hause |
|
|
|
|