I saw a box lock Turner, with such a short fore end my hand was almost as wide as it was. Maybe 5” long, 6 at the most. Did not bother me because I could never shoot a double with my off hand so close. I would just add a leather hand guard and enjoy it. That minimalist stock is different but not unattractive. Did not weight it but six pounds at the maximum. Special gun for a niche market.