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10 bore Scott SxS hammer gun SN 5557 (1874) is for sale on Guns International for $1,700. This dealer's prices are so much lower than others that one must wonder (except for the "just ever so slightly off face" bit).
https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...hammer-shotgun-1874.cfm?gun_id=102415240



No pictures of the barrel flats or water table, but from the description it looks like it has a Purdey Patent Use #: "the water table having the W & C Scott Patent for the action and Purdey's patent bolt."

I thought purdey and Scott had some sort of reciprocal agreement on the Scott spindle and purdey bolt.i know I have read it somewhere.

Yes, it's part of shotgun legend and confirmed by Donald Dallas. So it has to be true. Right? Sort of like "Reilly was a retailer" (who actually serial numbered 34,000 guns in 84 years in his two London workshops - compared to 50,000 in 75 years for Scott?).

But why the Purdey patent numbers on the Scotts and no Scott patent numbers on a Purdey? Someone needs to ask. I think I will.

Slightly off-topic but very interesting. The 1874 Purdey Gene found at Lewis Drake
https://www.drake.net/j-purdey-lond...oading-hammer-gun-9233-completed-in-1874

I believe has one of the VERY few English 6 iron crolle barrels that I've seen. Quite likely from Birmingham and an "Oxford" pattern.
Birmingham was just starting to produce, at least aesthetically, high quality crolle by the mid-1870s. c. 1890 James Purdey II 'fessed up that their tubes were Belgian sourced, but it is my opinion that in the 1870s the tubes were from Birmingham.
Greener thought 6-iron tubes were "over-twisted" and weakened, and most "British Best" tubes were 3 or 4 Iron.

The top 7 in the Birmingham Proof House Trial reported in 1891
1. English machine-forged 3 rod Laminated steel
2. English fluid compressed steel, Whitworth process
3. English machine-forged 2 rod Best Damascus
4. English steel Siemens - Martin process
5. English hand forged 4 rod Best Damascus
6. English machine-forged 2 rod variegated Damascus
7. English machine-forged 3 rod Best Damascus

The Crolle Damascus in my tensile test
2 Crescent No. 8 Knickerbocker 3 Rod Oxford (undoubtedly Belgian sourced), c. 1905 – 53,000 and 56,500 psi.
1 Wm. Powell Birmingham 3 Rod Oxford – 54,500 psi
1 Unknown English maker 3 Rod Oxford – 49,000 psi
1 Unknown source 3 Rod Oxford – 54,000 psi
1 Parker D4 4 Rod Turkish – 57,500 psi
1 Parker DD 6 Rod Turkish – 55,000 psi


It's a tough 'read' but I marked what I believe to be the ribband end welds




Little information on J.C. Grubb & Co., Philadelphia
http://www.american-firearms.com/american-firearms/z-html/company-G/Grubb,%20J.%20C.%20&%20Co/Grubb,%20J.%20C.%20&%20Co.html

8g percussion ML marked 'J.C. Grubb'