No doubt - I'm in full agreement. A Fox 12GA Sterly is still a bargain cux everyone wants sub guages. I know where at least 20 of them in solid shape are right now. Most of them do have too much drop no matter what the guage for me. So that bargain would quickly cost me some coin to re-stock. Still, they are so friggin bomb proof.600-900 bucks all day long.