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Keith,
You are absolutely right with regard to the translation, I just considered both terms as being practically the same. To be cast, it had to be heated to the fluid state and it could not stay in the fluid state and be used as a barrel. The word fluss is also a stream or river. Translation from German to English sometimes is pretty tricky and sometimes the meaning has to be stated without regard to precise translation of specific words or parts of words (Germans are famous for stringing together words to make other words), an example is "einsteklauf", which means insert barrel, but a "machine translation" comes out " one put running". It is sometimes the same from English to German. My translators always had trouble with the word "fix" in specifications, whether it meant to "repair" or to "fasten". This doesn't even include the confusion caused by the differences in American vs British English and German. All that said, I do not present myself as either an expert or a fluent German speaker.
Mike

Here's what Raimey had to say in a long series of posts back in '09 on Krupp barrel steel: "By the early to mid 1890s, quality gun tubes were composed of crucible nickel steel(elastic limit of approx. 62k psi) and Krupp held the secret and the skilled labour to produce it. The crucible nickel steel could be associated with "Fluss Stahl" while the "Guss Stahl" was probably plain ole cast steel with some of the required components for a quality tube but were present by accident only. Sometime near 1903/1904 Special Weapons Grade tubes(Spezial Gewehr Lauf Stahl) were on the scene and for now I suspect chromium or something of that nature had been added to the crucible nickel steel." In reading through a long discussion on barrel steel I wonder if Guss was the original "puddled" steel which was carefully mixed, poured, and hammered into submission by craftsmen and selected samples used for barrels.

Another nice rifle Phil, enjoy it in good health!

Phil:

Don't forget to anneal the brass per the PGCA thread. Lt Col RM
280 would be harder to find than 404-IMHO.

Just for comparison.Also pictures of die set and the two boxes of shells I found locally. I wont be shooting these shells as of yet. $100 for 10 rounds, but was happy to pay it to get some KYNOCH 333 Ammo.

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Just FYI I've fired some of the new Kynoch .333, 300 gr. solids in my Jeffery, over a chrono and got 2200 fps but the bullets were tipping a bit at 100 yds. 300 gr. Woodleigh softs are a little shorter and shoot fine. On checking my barrel it seems to have an 11 twist.

Thank you for the info on the Kynoch ammo. i would enjoy seeing a picture of your your Jeffery if you have a chance. Can you also explain tipping?
Thank to one of the generous members of the forum I now have some 404’s to convert to 333.
I also purchased some 200, 250, and 300 grain HAWK bullets.
My plan is to go to the range with a portable press, scale, and chronograph with several powders and see what works.

By tipping I mean not stable, the bullets while still on target leave an oblong hole but not to the point of of a key hole. My rifle is later than yours, I'm not sure if it's pre or post WW2, serial no. is in the 38,000 range. I will take some photos when I get a little time.

Thank you sir

Made some brass up today. Now looking for some reloading data. Any help is appreciated.