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The LB&S ads on Gunbroker include a listing for a Charles Daly Diamond Grade.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/963215066

This is one of only two or three reserve auctions I can remember from them.

I found it interesting for a couple of reasons. I don't particularly recognize the damascus pattern, but am not an expert on them. It actually looks similar to the few inhouse Parker made Laminated barrels (I have one of them).
The second thing is that you can just see part of the Linder stamp on the barrels. Other than the serial numbers, there seem to be no significant markings on the gun. Their writup indicates that Lefever at the time was their US contractor, and they thought the gun likely was built in Germany but finished by Lefever.
Could this be the case? I had never in my limited experience heard of this connection. I will have to say that even before I read it, I immediately thought of high grade Lefever engraving when I saw the bottom metal. The upper engraving looks normal but the bottom has a combination of birds, animals and dogs that looks very much like theirs or a high grade Ithaca.

Any comments on this? The pictures in the listing are awful, but the link to the high rez photos are revealing.

Damas Corche or Manufacture Extra
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XuCCbfPdvqotYhKRw5rhQ1QNYwxbH-3qVF-yXO3H5QY/edit

Another Diamond Grade





Sears catalog No. 107 Fall 1898

Thanks Drew. I had read before about Dalys not being proofed if for export but had somehow only associated that with European export. Was it a general rule during the early years that guns such as the V L & D guns were not proofed? That would be a lot more logical. However, the gun listed doesn't have any markings such as Sears or V L & D. The others in that category I have seen have always been marked by the merchandiser.

I know that George Lindner sourced actions and barrels were imported into the US and finished/labeled by several gunmakers ( Schaefer & Goelcher for example).
I know of Daly branded Lindner guns that used Lefever patent actions ( sidecocker), but I am not aware of any Lindner or Daly guns “ finished” by Lefever.
I cannot recall reading about Daly ever using Lefever Arms as a subcontractor for any of their import lines.
I would be interested to know how L,S&B came to their conclusions- and why they felt inclined to include that bit of “reference” in the historical trace.
Best Regards,
JBP

This looks like a pretty typical pre 1892 Lindner made Diamond grade. The 35xx serial number points to a late first series serial number so production would be sometime in the last few years before 1892. Engraving style looks standard.....I was just looking at a similarly dated Diamond grade last month.

The guy writing the blurb doesn't know what he's talking about. The lack of proofs are because Prussia didn't have a proof house or require proof marks prior to 1892. And Daly didn't introduce a Regent Diamond model until nearly 20 years after this gun was produced.

Interesting that Lock, Stock & Barrel put a reserve on it. May be the 1st one of their auctions that didn't start at 1 cent. This Anson & Deeley Body Action with Belts & Braces in the 1st Lindner series; therefore, will not have any proofmarks. Typical Lindner-Daly near the end of the 1st series where most of the 2nd series will experience proof. I see the tubeset mechanic's initials but I just cannot make them out. Too, it doesn't wear the A&D APUN so this one is just outside the patent protection period.

Probably cost $2k U.S. of A. to bring it forward.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

All Suhl & that line about Lefever is a crock.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Because when you are trying to sell something to the American collector, "Prussian Daly" is good, "Prussian Lindner Daly" is better and "Prussian Lindner Daly with a whiff of Uncle Dan" is best of all.

The initials of the tubeset knitter look to be >>A.B<< for now. It fits with others from late in the 1st Series.


......>>2706, 3551, 3665(August Blatt of Albrechts is a strong candidate along with Alex. Barthelmes of Zella-Mehlis, who was probably a decendent of Leopold Barthelmes(ss), a master gunmaker of Zella in the mid 1800s. Emil Barthelmes founded a gunmaking business in Zella in 1854.<<


https://doublegunshop.com/forums/ub...p;Words=blatt&Search=true#Post487633


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Top right, one can view the H.A. Lindner Quality Control Stamp(QCS) being the crossed pistols.



Trieble >>Bump<< on the forend

Along with the >>Cat Eye<< ejectors screws.

Again, 100% Suhl.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse