I have a heavy 20 with 30" barrels and pistol grip. Really great guns for the money. Not without flaws. I had to send mine to Utah to fix forend, which was done without charge. I shot mine in heavy rain at Medford one year and when I got home took the stock off to clean and oil, which is a nice feature of a stock bolt gun. It was completely dry inside, which shows the good fit of wood to action. I would love to have this gun with hand engraving and nicer wood, keep the internals as is. It would rival my Dickson RA.