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Owenjj3 #612974 03/26/22 04:45 PM
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doc drew, lots of data re 12 gauge ...but no summary, no bottom line, so to speak...maybe i am axing too much...

but your hostile post did raise another question...

you present british 12 ga proof data, apparently beginning in 1980 and amended in 2006...

what about guns proofed prior to 1980?

how do we judge the safety of those guns?

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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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1925 - 1954 12g barrel flats marked with chamber length and 1 1/8 or 1 1/4 oz.
In 1925, the 2 1/2” & 2 5/8” 12g maximum service load was reduced to 3 Dr. Eq. with 1 1/8 oz. shot with a mean pressure of 3 1/4 tons by LUP = 9,800 psi by Burrard’s conversion.
Definitive Proof remained 6 1/2 Drams BP with 1 2/3 oz. shot
The 2 3/4” 12g max. service load was 3 3/8 Dr. Eq. with 1 1/4 oz. shot with a mean pressure of 3 1/2 tons = 10,640 psi by Burrard’s conversion. (Primarily for heavier “Waterfowl” guns)
Definitive Proof - 7 1/2 Drams BP with 2 oz. shot.


John Brindle, author of Shotgun Shooting: Techniques & Technology published a review of Proof and Service pressures in Part 5 of his series in The Double Gun Journal, “Black Powder & Smokeless, Damascus & Steel”; Volume 5, Issue 3, 1994, “Some Modern Fallacies Part 5”, p. 11.
His estimated post-1954 but pre-CIP standard shotshell pressures by LUP converted to piezo transducer PSI

……………Standard Service…..Max. Service…....Proof
12g 2 1/2”…….6,800 psi…………8,800 psi…….12,250 psi
12g 2 3/4”…….7,800 psi…………9,800 psi……..14,050 psi
(CIP 2 3/4”)….10,733 psi….…..12,328 psi……13,489 psi
16g 2 1/2”…….7,300 psi…………9,300 psi……..13,150 psi
16g 2 3/4”…….7,800 psi…………9,800 psi……..14,050 psi


ed: your "search for knowledge" is simply an effort to draw attention to yourself, and you are most welcome to do your own research and reach your own conclusions. Let us know when you come up with a "summary" that suits you.
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ok, some more data...but watt does it mean?

inference here is that it represents pressure specs for post 1954 to 1980 proofed 12 ga guns...

if so, then watt about pre 1954 proof specs...

and watt is a piezo transducer? sounds like a retrofit package to convert your ferrari to a woke hybred...

and if as mc suggests, i am beating this to death, then lets let it go...

and i will just continue to use old ed's 90 - 30 rule when evaluating gun barrels...

Last edited by ed good; 03/26/22 05:06 PM.

keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Friggen idiot

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yawn...


keep it simple and keep it safe...
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