I have a packer coat that Chuck describes. I got it on a return or some kind of "misplaced item" deal when I sold Filson. It is a tad too small for me so I can't wear it with an undergarment such as a sweater in cold weather. It really has no use. I wonder if the Tin Cloth can be softened up a bit if it is washed (not recommended in the directions)? I wonder if it can be washed about five times and show some sign of a more friendly garment? Anyone ever try this?