Now, I realize that Miller was there first, but Harry Howland was in Ithaca where the guns were being made...which is not an easy factor to omit. If it didn't have that strange trigger shape, my guess would be Miller, especially since the established dates support it...but what about that trigger shape? and what about Howlands patent being so very close to Miller's. Why doesn't it say Miller on the trigger, Was Ithaca producing Miller's design, rather than Miller supplying them to Ithaca...where is the line in this grey zone...maybe this weekend, I'll find time to completely read both patents for suble differences in the mechanism. In the mean time anyone else can read them by simply searching Google patents for those two numbers