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Wolfgang
just a thought: whenever I had problems with a BBF not closing, it was the cartridge! in the rifle barrel.
Most often different manufacture with different rim-thicknesses.
On a tight gun a fraction of a millimeter is enough.
Sometimes it just was a build-up of dirt preventing the cartridge from fully seating.
If it does not close with empty barrels, then that is a different problem - but, as you say the gun did shoot with those barrels in the past, then I would first check for any build up of dirt/hardened oil on the mating surfaces.
As you know, tolerances on a well made gun are very small.


Just my ten cents...

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Thanks Gnter,
may be you are right. I wasn't able to close the empty barrels, but had not enough time to look for the reason very carefully. Frederik will have a look later in the year when my friend will let him renovate it.

Kind Regards and of course WaiHei!
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Funny that we write in english, isn't it? ;-)

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Wolfgang,
just a courtesy to the 99.8% of people here on this forum who probably don't understand german smile
No problems to exchange PM's in german though !
By the way, as you are in/near Bonn, what happened to the Haribo guns? I understand he died recently?

Also, while I have a chance to talk to you:
I have a BBF (Suhl) in 16/7x57 - Otto Bock Berlin in excellent condition, made in September 1939! with (near?) identical action/locking to the gun you describe in this thread.
Unfortunately someone, at some time, had the 7x57 barrel drilled out and changed to .22LR
The gun came with a 222 Rem 'Einstecklauf' (Princess) in the shot barrel which shoots fine up to about 250 m, so I use it as a 'Fox' gun.

I still live in hope to perhaps one day find a set of barrels that might fit my gun (highly unlikely, I know)

I am a Registered Firearms Dealer here in the UK so I could import a set of barrels if I should get lucky!













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Gnter, you have a PM

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Wolfgang,
If the gun won't close on empty chambers, check under the extractors for trash or unburned powder.
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Thanks Mike,
I can imagine you are right, but have the gun no longer in my hands. I think it will have to do with the extractor. Will keep you informed when it was checked!
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Gebrauchsmuster Nr. 217,636 - Umstellvorrichtung am Selbstspannerdreilufer ufw. Ernst Kerner, Suhl - 28/12 03 K. 20651 - 7/12 06

I wonder if Novel Design Nr. 217,636 above was the beginnings of the Kerner-Anson drilling from December 28th, 1930??

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I'm bringing up an old post here because the story continues. My friend passed the combination on to his son and only the gun was completely reworked and restocked. Here is the whole story:

http://www.hunting-heritage.com/blog/index.php/2021/03/10/all-in-one-ferlach-combination-gun/

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Wonderful story and beautiful work - I had not read the older thread. There is a famous Austria gunsmith school in Ferlach, right?

I'm wondering how much a single round for that gun now costs in Germany. An Austrian-born gunsmith in SW Virginia who trained at Ferlach was pretty depressed about the whole situation, when I last talked to him few months ago. He believed the average hunter in Germany was on the verge of being priced out of the sport by government tax regulation.


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Correct, Ferlach is one of 3 gunsmithing schools in Europe - the other two are in Suhl, Germany and Liège Belgium.
The cost of ammunition is not a problem. Neither are the taxes. What is getting stricter is the gun law and the requirements for the hunting license.

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