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That looks like original condition to me. Very nice. If the barrels are in good shape, no dents, bulges or deep pitting, I think low pressure smokeless would be fine. If you can, have someone measure the barrel wall thickness.
Last edited by Hammergun; 01/16/21 08:32 PM.
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Not saying that it is, but it resembles the early Scott - Daly's. Drew, the inspector's marks forward of the flats are letters surmounted by a Crown. Well made smokepole.
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keep it simple and keep it safe...
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Looks to be original condition to me, not restored. Nice find. Unless a gun has family value it does not pay to restore a modestly priced gun like this one. Why put a thousand dollars into a $750.00 gun? Now if the gun was worth a thousand and it cost a thousand you could at least break even in the deal.
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What Raimey observed. Belgian bench test controller's (inspector's) personal marks used 1853-1877 were a smooth crown over the letter. After 1877, the inspector's mark was a star over a capital letter.
Some marks are however spangled, and it is likely inspectors used what they had.
I agree original or very long ago restored. It is impossible to reproduce the aged appearance of the Twist barrels by recoloring.
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Yes, Drew, I see them mixed also. So the tubes may pre-date the 1877 change over after the Liège mechanics wore out their Crowned inspectors dies and commenced using their new spangled letter dies. But the tubes were utilized after the change-over, so maybe the tubes or longarm in the white experienced proof and the spangled letters were applied. Too, I've seen that odd >>7 1/2<< stamp near the forend hanger and I believe it was on pattern welded Remington doubles?
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Replaced forearm wood....the fit and finish is no doubt better than the original fit and finish of a lower quality gun like this.
I'm going with restored.
AARBC...Above average restored Belgium Clunker
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Whew...i have to say I have a hard time buying it being original like this after 150 years. A gun of this age...ANY gun...if original in this condition, should come with a story of how it remained that way, where it was, etc. The fact that it was lumped into a group sale with no further attribution gives me reasonable doubt.
As Drew said, it's tough to fake age on these Twist barrels, so they may have only seen a "0000 massage." But the rest...
Either way, a sweet gun if priced right. Certainly a lot more interesting on the clay course than yet another cookie cutter Beretta or Browning O/U. 🥱
The 7/8 Fiocchi "Trainers" are the ticket.
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