NCtar...haven't a clue. There are strange markings...16 ga Saint-Etienne proofs with the laurels without the crown an "TVT" x2 between them. Did another company reserve the right to proof-mark their guns in Saint-Etienne like Manufrance? It's possible. (then again, reverse the photo..that might actually be "MF" supplanting the arrows from before). But, there is not much on that gun which is familiar. Maybe Raimey can recognize something

FTOUTACIER. is BS....Tout Acier (all steel). The seller could do a better job of posting photos. Why it is labeled "Berger" is a mystery because there's no hint of Berger & Freres on the pics. Crap job of salesmanship for a historical gun if you ask me.

To all - "Helice" is a misnomer. It has no physical meaning. If you are referring to the reverse screw Verney Carron key patented three times with variants of the "Helice" name...that is not "Helice." You'll have to say, "VC patent" or something to be correct.

(Oh heck.."Forimica" is now "plastic counter tops." "Xerox" is now "photo copy." So just call it "Helice" (if your are actually referring to the VC key) .. (but be careful because there are a lot "Helice" out there which have nothing to do with the VC patent and are just advertisements. The name was never patented).

Ted, Larry, WC - any help? Look at those proof marks!
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