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Reading some older, much older posts about Pieper I find a mix of opinions, who woulda thunk? I saw prices thrown out of a few hundred dollars to long commentaries on how exquisite Pieper's work was.

I am looking at the gun below and the seller is asking way more than a few hundred dollars for this. Any thoughts on the rough value? I shoot everything I buy.

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handsome gun...can you get photos of the proof marks?

Last time I saw a Pieper sidelock of that era and engraving style it was a 12 ga and sold at auction for around $1800. I think it was Rock Island and it was about 10 years ago. I think this one is a little nicer and of course it�s a 16. But at the same time I�d say prices for those mid quality vintage SxS are off from where they were 10 years ago.

In 2020 I noted that a coupled similar modells but with much less adornment were appraised around $900.

Interesting >>Bayard Steel<< stamp.

Serbus,


Raimey
rse

Thank you

I will ask the seller for some proof shots

Again thanks for your replies.

Beautiful gun. I'd guess (and it's just a guess) that the pricing ought to equivalent to some of the lesser known, but still quality, Spanish makers. A 16 gauge SLE by one of them seems to be selling in the $3,000-4,500 range, depending on the level of finish and the era in which it was produced.

I don't think it to be a bona fide side lock, but some variant. But I need to dig a bit.

https://www.maynardsfineart.com/auction-lot/bayard-sidelock-side-by-side-shotgun_22345D9A09

Seems like PeteM may have had the same or similar?








https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=274502

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

From 2009:

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/48/1621/engraved-pieper-double-barrel-side-lock-shotgun

$250 in 2019:

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/73457214_pieper-model-bayard-double-barrel-shotgun

Serbus,


Raimey
rse

Just as a sidenote, Henri Pieper had other hybrids like this horseless carriage from 1905:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US937859

U.S. of A. Patent Nr. 937859

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Rainey, Henri died around 1898.....how could he have a patent from 1905?

Not at all sure there Canvas-Back but maybe there was an offspring named Henri or all was set in motion before his death?

Again, I would have to dig a bit.....

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Here are the pictures sent by seller...

the original



I tried to lighten some of the stamped areas

The 2009 seems to the same or really close..I could not get the second link to work correctly.

thanks

Only son I know about was a Nicholas.

Pretty sure that was the auction I was thinking of. I'm guessing the high end of the estimated range stuck in my head. Still, not bad after a dozen years....lol

In a 1893 patent the 2nd Henri (?) was called Henri Jr.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/c0/be/86/514871633e2936/US504501.pdf
IIRC Nicholas was the second son; Maybe Henri Jr. was the first-born.

Markus

Good to know Markus. Thanks.

Both Henris listed in the 1891 Catalogue officiel g�n�ral; pr�liminaires, Section Belge, Sections sp�ciales:

Pieper, Henri, arms manufacturer, in Li�ge,

Pieper, Henri, son, Managing Director of the International Electricity Company, in Li�ge.

According to https://www.automag.be/Histoire-de-l-usine-Pieper-Imperia Henri Sr. and his son founded the latter firm together in 1889.

Markus

I think it's a fine looking gun. I guess the question is how much would you pay for it? I will say the asking price is just south of $2k

I guess you must register for the >>Liveauctioneers<< to see the listing?


$250 in 2020


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Many thanks Markus for mining some Pieper Info.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

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Could you pleasure us with a few images of the markings on the barrel flats?


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Thanks

There is one on GB nowhere as nice, and it has a $300 bid currently. ...and it has a red butt pad...I hate red butt pads!!!