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Hi everyone,

My grandfather and I would go dove hunting every opening day (September 1st in Arizona). He would use a .410 shotgun and just stand in one spot all morning. He placed a paper bag in front of him and would just patiently wait until a dove was close enough to drop it directly in the bag. I never saw him actually get one in the bag, but he hit the side of the bag a couple of times. Just just stood there and smoked his cigar until it was time to shoot.

Meanwhile, I recently inherited his shotgun. I would like to know more about it and have read many posts about using the markings to understand it better. I am completely confused by the markings and cannot make heads or tails from it, so I thought I would just upload some pictures of it and let the experts tell me what it it.

I know it is a Model 211, but I would like to know what grade and what year it was built. I have no interest in selling it, but would really like to know its history.

Can you take a look at the pics of the markings and tell me more about it please? Here is the link to the image:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t1pcornrtyymj92/image_67178241.JPG?dl=0

Thanks,
Joe

Hello
Welcome on your first posting

For the year of proofing, look for a letter/number code as shown in the below link.

http://www.shotguns.se/html/spain.html

https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=172701

You have a Union Armera/Grulla shotgun

https://www.fincalajara.es/about-grulla

Can you post a link or a picture of the flats on the barrels?

Again, Welcome
Mike

p.s. how do you know it is a model 211? Thanks

Mike,

Thanks for the links. I wasn't able to figure out how to embed a photo with the markings to this reply, only a link to my Dropbox, where I placed the photo.

The link is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/t1pcornrtyymj92/image_67178241.JPG?dl=0

Thanks,
Joe

Hi, Joe.

Your grandfather have a great shotgun in a lovely gauge. As Mike tell you, Grulla and Union Armera are de same.

Can you post more trade marks pictures? These numbers may be de serial number, the gauge and... I don't know whats the meaning of MR55.

This side by side may be lovely!

Regards!

Hello Joe
This is a picture of the action flats, now we need a picture of the barrel flats, that will show the proofing date
Mike

Thank you for your post. I uploaded a couple more pic to my Dropbox. You can view them at each of the links below. Please let me know what you can determine from these markings. Based on the links Mike sent, it has several markings with many different years.

Here are the links to the pictures:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t1pcornrtyymj92/image_67178241.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6lek2dzf69cvy3w/image_67164417.JPG?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6xryu3imkwu9y33/image_67186945.JPG?dl=0

Thanks,
Joe

Hi Mike,

Here is the link to the barrel flat:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6lek2dzf69cvy3w/image_67164417.JPG?dl=0

Thanks,
Joe

My AYA 20 gauge is marked N1 and therefore 1968



My AYA 20 gauge is marked A1 and therefore 1955

I can not quite make out the date code on your 410

Please clean that area and take a close up picture please

Mike,

Cleaned it up a bit with some window light. Where yours is marked No 1, this one is marked AA.

Here is the link to the photo:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b7s6n8r0ek3el4y/Barrel%20Flat%20Image.jpg?dl=0

Thanks!
Joe

Joe
Getting closer
Look here again at the bottom of the page and see what is closest
http://www.shotguns.se/html/spain.html
Mike

p.s. looks like an A1 with an extra (double stike) A

1955??

A2 would be 1981

Thanks Mike. The double strike is very interesting (confusing also). Is it common to have a double strike? As an "A", it would have been 1927, close to his birth year... but a double A doesn't make sense according to the coding chart you referenced.

Also, there is a mark just above the AA. Not sure if that is just pitting or some other type of marking.

Thanks,
Joe

You have a lovely shotgun, Joe! Enjoy it!

May be reproof. Contact to Grulla, send them the serial number to send you all the information about it.

Regards!

Great story about your Grand dad and his 410 Union Armera.
I have owned several Grulla's and even had an early 215, 20 bore UA.
Would love to see a picture of the gun sometime.