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Friday, I took shipment of a Ugartachea 28 ga I am very happy with it although I prefer ejectors. I had borrowed the gun a few years ago for the Southern SXS. I shot lousy with it. I had one of the vendors measure the choke, he told me it was full and extremely full.

I got a very good deal on the gun because I got it from a friend who could not shoot it well but mainly he just wanted me to have the gun. I had planned to open the chokes and lengthen the stock to 15.5" with a recoil pad.

The first thing did was shoot a round of skeet. I shot a 24 missing the high 5 target(a easy floater). I missed because I was trying to be perfect because of the full choke, a mistake I sometimes make when shooting field guns at skeet.

I had a fellow skeet shooter measure the choke and it showed 9 in the right barrel and 22 in the left, probably a tight IC and light full. I have decided not to open the choke as I hunt more Blue quail than anything. Having said that I can see it mutilating some planted pheasant.

I am still considering the pad although lenghening the stock will essentially lower it by 3/32". It is curently about 14.75". The two guns that I have had made have 16" stocks(I got that measurement from Chris Batha) and fit me well. It will also free me from worrying about the checkered butt and reduce the recoil that I feel in my cheek although as a quail gun it will not be shot hundreds of rounds a day.

I realize that many will respond that lenghtening the stock will not reduce recoil. First I must state without reservation that you are wrong. ALthough I have never really felt any recoil on my shoulder I do feel it in my cheek. I am also mentally bothered by it because of a problem in my left eye. I have had too many concusions in my life. I am not a giant but in some ways evolution might have passed me by(or maybe and ancestor drank too much at her cage cleaning job at the zoo!) as I slightly resemble an orangutang although not as strong I am considered by my new wife to be more slightly more attractive although less attractive according to my former wife.

I will probably try a slip on if I can find one. I know I have one in my garage somewhere.

I welcome your opinions but I am mainly writing this to brag about my new gun(my first 28 ga SXS) and occupy myself while I make sure that my new Drahthaar puppy, Casey, does not redecorate the rug.

Hey it is the last day of dove season maybe I will go!

Post a picture. I think your ex is exaggerating.

I had a Model 30 in .410 that a good friend now has. It's choked ex-full in both tubes. So, your friend opened up the chokes already? My quail hunting is over a flushing dog and most shots are 15-30yds. for the first one, then way out there for the second. In your shoes, I might open the first barrel to .005 and leave the second barrel alone for a while. Just a caution about measuring chokes; make sure the bore is measured then compared to the choke. Simply measuring the choke diameter with a gauge tells you little about the choke effect.

As to LOP, I've come to believe that convincing a shooter of another's belief of correct LOP is directly tied to how much faith the shooter has in the person giving the advice. I don't think you have more faith in me than Chris Batha. But, for me, I like my quail guns slightly shorter than a clays gun. If I shot over a pointer, I could use a longer gun since I could set my feet and position the gun properly (low or high), comb my hair, adjust my collar, set my glasses back on the bridge of my nose, clear my throat and call for the dog to flush the bird. (I'm gonna need the football helmet)

As to LOP, I've come to believe that convincing a shooter of another's belief of correct LOP is directly tied to how much faith the shooter has in the person giving the advice.

I am not that picky about it. I think that longer stocks recoil less but then again I do not have any trouble mounting it, as I thrust the gun forward and bring it into my shoulder. That is how I taught it as a law enforecement instructor and it works for me.

BTW I have a 12 ga with choked 5 RIGHT AND 15 Left and it is killer on incoming dove.

I don't mind the tighter chokes on that gun as I plan to use it for blues. Come to think of it, I no longer use 5 on skeet anymore I use 7 with 20,28 and 410.

Congrats on your new toy. High 5 is actually one of the two toughest targets on the skeet field. It and low three are 90 degree deflection and never come closer than 21 yards to the shooter. All other targets have less deflection and can be shot closer. No shame missing High 5. Probably stopped your gun, like we ALL do from time to time.

Good shooting!

KMM,
I really haven't percieved any change in recoil due to LOP change other than a poor fitting gun, either too long or too short, will be uncomfortable for me during recoil. I've heard several say that longer LOPs reduce the felt recoil. This may be due to the higher angle the shoulder meets the gun, possibly causing less movement of the head?

"I realize that many will respond that lenghening the stock will not reduce recoil. First I must state without reservation that you are wrong. ALthough I have never really felt any recoil on my shoulder I do feel it in my cheek."

Since you have no problem telling us that we are wrong, I'll do the same for you. Lengthening a stock can not possibly reduce recoil, other than because of the small amount of weight you add to the gun. Believing something doesn't make it a fact, or change the physics involved. What you're describing is cheek slap or chop. This may be caused by excessive drop(not found on an Uggie M30, 28 ga.) or you're cheeking the gun too hard. I will agree with your measurement change of 3/32". I found that hard to believe until I measured my gun this morning. If adding 3/4" to your stock makes you happy, I'm happy, too.

Chris Batha is a nice man but his words are merely opinions, too.

If I shot over a pointer, I could use a longer gun since I could set my feet and position the gun properly (low or high), comb my hair, adjust my collar, set my glasses back on the bridge of my nose, clear my throat and call for the dog to flush the bird. (I'm gonna need the football helmet)
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Chuck, Chuck, Chuck. You should know that most pointing dog owners have pulled their hair out, and thus there is nothing to comb.

"Lengthening a stock can not possibly reduce recoil",

I do not understand how it could either. My best guess is that it pushes the energy(the breachface)further from your face and the stock moves less the further away. I do not understand it, but I do believe it.

BTW I did not get the theory that longer stocks kick less from Batha. I think he gave me a long stock because of my build, the fact that I tend to move my left foot more forward and am kind of a stock crawler.

I did mention that although I like SXSs they tend to kick the shiX out of me. He replied that "They kick the shiX out of everybody.