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I've got a granddaughter that lives in Petaluma, CA. Talking to her over the Christmas weekend, she said she's really interested in target shooting and would like to try it. I suggested she look for a local rifle range and see if they might offer a mentoring program. I also offered to buy her a decent .22 to get her started. After hanging up I came to the realization California is a "no lead" state. What do they do about .22 target ammunition?

I'm in CA. There is no problem using lead for target shooting, but you can't hunt with it. The problem is finding the ammo, any ammo. Shelves are nearly bare for the desirable stuff, and things like Win 9mm white box are going for $0.80/round if you can even find it. Can't order any ammo online without sending it to an FFL to do the transfer for a fee. She will pay $19.50 for a background check on every ammo purchase and the check may take two or three weeks. Why? Because she has not purchased a gun within the last three years (unless she buys one now), and that means she does not qualify for the "instant" check, which is only $1. Some FFLs are trying to charge $125 (not a typo) as a base fee for ammo transfer, plus $10/box or carton after the first package in the same transaction. Why? Because they don't want to do ammo transfers. Why? Because the CA DOJ has scared the crap out of the FFLs by telling them that paperwork errors can result in them losing their Ammo Vendor License (issued by the CA DOJ). Without that license, they can't sell or transfer ammo, despite the fact that their federally issued FFL is still completely valid. CA DOJ now requires that the vendors doing a transfer must open and check every box to ensure that the contents match the label on the box. She will pay the background check fee and the transfer fee on every single transaction. And the background check for the purchase of a firearm does not entitle her to buy ammo. Separate transaction, separate set of fees. Why does the ammo background check take so long to process? Because the CA DOJ is too incompetent to set up a f.....g computer system to expedite the process. In the state that is basically the home base for sophisticated tech systems. Sacramento is only about 100 miles from Silicon Valley and they can't (or won't) figure this out. Bunch of idiots. Who's responsible for this travesty? Well, the CA DOJ started this when Kamala effing Harris was the CA AG. This is the kind of crap you can expect from her when Ol' Joe passes the torch (or just passes).

The ammo shortage around here is very real. One of my hunting buddies sent out a group text today pleading for leads on duck ammo. His boys are out of school for the holidays and are hunting a lot this season. They have burned through his ammo stash and he can't find any duck loads. I gave him about eight semi-local leads and he struck out on all of them.

Thanks for taking the time to share some experiences. California is often seen as a leader for national policy, and its influence is an integral part of the incoming administration. Harris may have higher aspirations, but it is clear that jo elect is unable to form his own thoughts or policies and is used by others.

The total California nightmare that Replacement describes could soon be playing everywhere else. All of the fools here who supported Biden/Harris need to listen to this short video to hear Biden's Gun Control Plan from his campaign website:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=58UPGtxRJM4

Just think, all of you who buy RST, Polywad, B&P, or any other shotgun or rifle ammunition online or mail-order would be prohibited from doing that. Biden also wants to repeal the Lawful Commerce In Firearms act that prohibited damaging lawsuits from bankrupting the firearms industry and causing massive price increases for guns and ammo.

This career anti-gunner isn't just coming after the AR-15's and black guns that some of you don't care about. In his own words, on his campaign website, he has announced how he plans to hurt every legal gun owner. This is what rocky mtn bill and BrentD and the other Libtards are telling you is better than Donald Trump.

And this is why I have said that welcoming and accepting gun owners who support anti-gunners is about as foolish as hiring a pedophile to babysit your children, or bringing termites into a wood frame house. It is time to reject those who are stabbing us all in the backs. Anyone who helps these Libtard fools, or gives them advice, needs to have their head examined.

Biden has also in the past stated that no gun should be sold unless it has a biometric trigger. Do your doubles, or any other firearms you own have a biometric trigger?

And that formerly cheap white box Winchester-Western 9 m/m ammunition that is selling for 80 cents a round... if you can find it... could become a thing of the past. The Libtards here don't want things like this even mentioned in this forum. They don't want you to know the truth about Biden and Harris until it is too late:

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Since this is back to the top, I'll add that it is now technically a crime in CA to hand your buddy a couple of shells when he runs out of ammo in the duck blind. That is a "transfer" of ammo and has to go through an FFL with a fee and a background check. Seriously. I hate this state, but I'm pretty well stuck.

It's also against the law to bring ammo in from out of state.

You all better hope that Harris never becomes prez. And if Gruesome Newsom ever runs for prez, do all you can to defeat him. Dumb as a bag of rocks and dangerously liberal on everything except personal freedoms. He doesn't care what you do, as long as it's mandatory.

The all purpose California regulation: all things not prohibited are mandatory.

I refuse to be treated like a criminal and am so offended by the new ammo laws that I finally broke down and started reloading shotshells just to shoot sporting clays and the occasional duck. But if components ever become available again I have no doubt that CA will soon move to ban reloading. That'll keep Jamil from poppin' a cap into DuShawn in Oakland or South Central.

Let's hope the Supreme Court saves us from California progressives.

And we think Canadian gun laws were draconian. I invite anyone from California to come up for a waterfowl hunt in 2021. The limit per day is 8 grey geese, or 5 white-front and 3 grey and 50 snows. 5 hunts to a package and SHELLS ARE INCLUDED IN THE BASE PRICE. You can't beat that!

I think the borders are still closed.

You may have missed the memo that the LA City Council solved the crime problem by no longer referring to IngelWatts and environs as "South Central." Now it is officially "South Los Angeles," and that took care of everything. Got to be sensitive to our criminal brethren.

OMG... rocky mtn bill is going to have a stroke when he reads that!

Here is Billy's QUOTE from post #588658 on 12/31/20. Sadly our retired English teacher really does not know how to spell "plague". But if Billy gets his wish of reparations to soothe his white guilt, at least Jamil will be able to afford the high cost of buying scarce 9 m/m rounds in South LA.

You seem angry lately William, time to get your meds checked again.

The weekend melt down has returned!

Some people see problems I see a business opportunity.
Think positive.


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Well, if you have an FFL or if you are a resident of another state, you can bring in all you want. But you can't sell it or transfer it once you get it into CA, unless you get an Ammo Vendor License from the CA DOJ. That's another license and another set of fees to pay, and it has to be renewed (for an additional fee) every couple of years or so. And then if you transfer it within the state, you have to do background checks and open all the boxes and all the other bullshit that they put us through. You can't even legally give the ammo away. And to further complicate things, if you are a non-resident, you can't legally buy or receive ammo in CA. So if you came here to hunt, bring lots of ammo because if you run out, you are screwed. Just like the rest of us.

My buddies used to to make fun of me for accumulating a (probable) lifetime supply of shotgun ammo. Now they are laughing out of the other sides of their faces.

Where did you see any signs of anger Queen Stevie? It would appear that you are the one who needs their meds checked... or even better... taken away!

Only drug abuse and/or mental illness could explain why a so-called gunsmith or gun owner would spend so much time here denigrating and lying about a pro-gunner like Trump, and supporting the Liberal Left anti-gunners who continually work to pass anti-gun legislation like Replacement is describing in California. Maybe you will post some more false data from known anti-gun organizations to refute what he says... like you did when you made the false claim that guns are not registered in New Zealand:



....<<<<< THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS ISSUED A MELT-DOWN WARNING FOR THE WARD COLORADO AREA >>>> >>>> >>>> BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR FLASH FLOODS OF LIBERAL CLOSET DEMOCRAT GUNSMITH TEARS >>>>>>> ...

Hi there Lying keith....up to your old tricks again I see. Still not a shred of integrity.

You and frAnk must have slept in today. Let me guess, he is in the burbon again.

No surprises on either front.

That would be from the last several days of you running away from the nazi picture you painted yourself into.

But since your a fat slob and can't run very far, you had dave lock that thread to save you some breath. Someday you might have enough guts to fight for yourself, but your one coward of a nazi and not likely to get brave anytime soon.

You two do tend to attempt distractions, when the topic is about back door gun control for no articulated or thought through compromise to better that state or the nation.

Funny but I thought the topic was your ceasless devotion to your BFF, no matter how borish his behavior is.

thrifty I thought you might have been clever enough to realize that I'm trying to help princess. She's incapable of even starting to address her anger issues if she can't recognize where they come from. The journey has to begin somewhere as they say and I'm happy to do my part to get her going and cast her offshore.

Besides you should thank me as well. I'm sure, once pricness addresses her anger issues, she'll make for much better, and less abusive company when you two are getting intimate.

Actually, the topic at hand, obfuscated by the usual suspects, is draconian laws in California making it almost impossible to get sporting ammunition.

Which, most of us already knew, was coming, and had nothing to do with making the state safer, cleaner, or, whatever the buzzword of the day was. It was about eventually making outdoor pursuits unfeasible for as great a majority as was possible.

Which, would lead to the eventual outlawing of same, which, will comfortably lead to making any and all types of firearms and ammunition illegal.

We told you.

It isn�t over yet, and will get far more draconian.

Best,
Ted