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Putting a Pachmyer pad on a period gun should get you an open-handed slap. But picture 34 requires capital punishment.

Poetic justice would be death by firing squad...lead by the poor abused girl who suffered the offense.

https://www.proxibid.com/Ah-Fox-Ce-Grade-16-Ga-Shotgun/lotInformation/58481368

NDG

Nice gun. Nasty pad. I've always wanted a 16 ga CE Fox.

It is horrid, but nothing that can't be easily corrected, if the wood wasn't significantly shortened. Not nearly as egregious as cutting off barrels.

SRH

That is awful. I believe the only time a recoil pad should be added is if the stock was shortened. I have added wood to a few stocks because I didn't want a recoil pad.
The next owner can do what they want. I attached them with screws only.

That wood looks (hopefully) uncut. Or at least reasonable.

Chief

How much was cut of the end of the barrels>

28 inches now, what does that factory sheet show?

pad can be replaced...ugly wood, not so readily...

and then there is the cut barrels...

Those could be original length barrels. They don't always touch on a Fox. That said I'd be pulling an order card on it before plucking down my money. Pad can be changed. Nice pictures but lousy description. LOP should be provided as well as DAH etc. Pretty hard to find gun with the K trigger and overall very nice condition. No doubt original wood. LOP will always appear to be super short with the K trigger in the rear position. That often throws folks off. I suspect LOP probably will show as being in the 13" range, which in reality the same as 14" LOP with the normal double trigger.

I don't like single triggers in the rear position. I've got one in that position, a HOT on a 16 ga. Smith, and I've never gotten used to the feel. IMO, they should always be in the middle, like most other single trigger guns.

I'll bet those are uncut barrels. I could tell in a few seconds, with probably 90% certainty, with a bore gauge, by checking to see how the chokes are cut.

SRH

Did Fox use filler keels in the wedge area under the top rib? I would think they would have on a C grade. I only have owned a couple of Fox guns, which are long gone and have none to compare.

no keels strongly suggests cut barrels on fox and most other fine guns...

fox sharks no doubt have card info, if it exhists...

the bidding will tell the tale...

I'm with Stan on the chokes, the length of the chokes etc. would tell the story. One item on the barrels that I question is on the top view of the barrels I see no evidence of the concave file cuts on the top and bottom ends of the rib but the end view shows the file cuts and no keels? The the color case looks Fox to me as does the remaining overall condition. Sure, the screws have been turned but not bad and the stock length looks to be ok.

I have attended this auction many times since it is fairly local to me. They are very honest and if you ask questions they will answer to the best of their ability. They hold an auction 4 times a year with well over a 1000 guns at each. They have one guy that catalogs and takes pictures for the auction and he is one busy guy so don't expect a lengthy description of each firearm. BTW, this auction is or was attended by a lot of wealthy local farmers that have corn and soy bean money in their pockets. It is not a place to look for a bargain!

I have never owned a Fox. But if that is the way the muzzle left the factory I am more than a little surprised.

Dan Lefever would have had a man's hands cut off if he sent a gun out the door with the barrels set that way.

Did they not extend the rib (keel) over the front of the muzzle?? And WHY dont the barrels touch??

NDG

It wouldn't have left the factory without keels. That one likely has been messed with, but it also doesn't prove the barrels have been cut. They may have been, but it's not proof. Short chokes are, as is a mismatch with the order card.

The barrels on Foxes, and other doubleguns as well, don't always touch.

SRH

Its always possible the Keels fell out for some reason and voids were plugged with solder and cleaned up. I suspect that was what happened, but its order card would confirm it. They both look pretty thick so they would appear to have plenty of choke.

PS. Based on the current bid I'd say they weren't cut.

$10,900 + BP. The gun carded at 28� FYI

Thanks. I was watching it. Spirted bidding as they say.

wow!

So, Fox didn't make their guns with the barrels touching? Was there a stated reason for this? Was it all, or only some? And in either case...why?

NDG

I've have and have had a bunch of Foxes. All of mine have had barrels touching at the ends. However, I have seen documented cases of 100 percent original Foxes that don't have the barrels touching.

Nice gun but I think its a $5
000. gun not a $10000 gun.

It's a $10K gun if somebody paid that for it. But, I'm with you .......... I wouldn't have. There's always the possibility that someone knew of some extenuating provenance that made it worth more to them.

Doug was likely spot on earlier when he said:



SRH

I can think of so many guns I would rather have for $10K. And I really like Foxes.

I can see that. In the early 1970's- a USMC pal from Manhattan KS invited me out for the later pheasant season-also quails. In 3 days we really hammered the birds, plus we also flushed out 3 coyotes from the sorghum plots- 2 males, one female- at short range a load of 1&1/4 oz. No. 6 in their heads- end of story. Back then, the State paid a cash bounty for dead 'yotes, we gave the money- $100- to our farmer host- He in turn, invited us to a neighborhood potluck supper, followed by a private coon hound auction- Bill and I went, and I kid you not- 3 farmers with bankrolls of "C-notes" wadded into the pouch pockets of their Big Smith and Carharrt overhalls were bidding on a male redtick hound- ran it up to $3500 cash money-and the farmer who won the bidding pulled a wad of big bills out of that pocket-which was closed with a huge safety pin, and counted out 35 Benjamins, just as easily as he combed his hair-- and stuffed the rest back, shook hands with the former owner, and petted his new coon hound.

Wow-- RWTF

Wow, CE went for $10,900 + premium- ( rather have a $10,000 Lindner) .......
56 Superposed 20 ga , 28� went for $ 3900 + premium.
Good quality guns don�t seem to be getting any softer.......
Best regards,
JBP

I followed the auction off and on. My overall feeling was that guns went for BIG dollars!

I agree with Brian, high condition etc. is still in demand. With rare exception I haven't seen a real bargain at this auction in years. Good place to sell!

I did note that an Ithaca 4E 16ga. in high condition went for, I believe, in excess of 6K. Is that a good price?

sounds pretty good to me...

Fox A grade 20 gauge with I assume having cut barrels went for I believe $2,500. Barrels were 25". Assume they were cut. That seems up there to me.