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Is Mr. Rowe quoted as saying something to the like of: "we are rid of those guns prior to 1947(date?) and you better not work on them because they will come back and bloody well haunt you!!"(while shaking his finger) I heard D. Tate and another other British gunsmith, who had made some of the tools Tate was using, repeat the quote. And I believe they referred to him as Rowe.

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Murphy, Parker A1spl 410 Max Fleischmann gun now in 'Collection : out west... I have Poor Quality Photo of the stock and "Joe Knapp Oval" No.4 in my'Search! Am looking forward to seeing your "21" sometime.Wonder if there are any Photos of the"P Gun"...No 3 in my 21 year search!!!Wonder if theres a AHFox with the Oval in the stock.....9 days to the Auction.....dt

CC, I did not take pictures of the P gun. I don't understand your last question. I thought the "article" gun was a Super Fox. I guess I know what the Fleischmann gun was/is but I didn't remember it having a JK Club oval. If you can give me an auction reference to the .410, I'll look it up in my files. The oval in the P gun looked like it was installed with a cold chisel and chain saw. I would be interested in the gun, was warned of a heavily worn and stretched self opening mechanism that is expensive to fix. The forend metal is contacting the bottom of the receiver. What is expensive? Murphy

BM. the artical gun was my Super Fox with the 1st Knapp Oval that I had seen ,up to that time. Hence the Story about Mr J Knapp. The 2nd J.K oval was your W 21 that Spooner sent me the Info' on. No 3 is the 410b that Spooner discovered, now in Arizona,Private Museum I think.A1spl Parker(.410b)...Not the 12b that Devine sold at auction, Aug 27, 1995. So the "P" that you have seen at the Pintail Point 'Get Together' is, in my records, No 4....They seem tobe 'Popping out of the Proverbial Birthing Channel'on a slowly but 'Shirley' basis..Ehh'heavily worn and stretched S/O Mech.? I think you have described what We JP Gun-Types would call 'Excessive Gape',due to the 'Drop' being beaten constantly by the shoulders on the underside of the Forend Iron. If you look into the area of the action in front of the 'Cross-Pin', there is a small'TiT'(Purdey talk) held in place with a screw. The older Mod had 1 screw, now we use 2 and we make the 'TiT' the full width of the opening giving a better bearing surface. When the Drop is 'Well & Good' You should be able to pass a Feeler Gauge(aprox 0.100") between the 'Lip' of the Forend Knuckle and the bottom of the action.So, when you see a Purdey action with that 'Tell-Tale' gash, the Drops Buggered..5 to 6 hr job to 'Examine Project,Make & install new Drop,Regulate opening, Test Fire gun,Spend 2-3 hrs @ Pub making out Bill for Services Rendered. That totals out to Expensive'....(Of course, certain gunsmiths would Weld....$20.00) cc/dt.

DT, thanks for the info on the .410 Joe Knapp gun. I don't think Spooner has it pictured on his website but I haven't checked lately. By the way, the Devine Max Fleishmann gun is a 20 bore, not a 12. Very nice gun. A 12 bore Fleishmann gun was shown to me at the Vintagers by its present owner. I hadn't seen it in years. It is a 30" C Grade Parker that was outed by a couple of PGCA types at the Nashville NRA show about 1992. The dealer caught on to our interest in the gun, got cold feet and removed the gun from the sale table. My friend returned to purchase the gun and was told it was no longer for sale. I had a few grey hairs of experience at the time, so had a short meeting with the dealer concerning business ethics and he relented and sold it to my friend, who is not the present owner. All's well that ends well. I guess Max had more Parkers than originally thought. Interesting that a duck club membership oval would be installed on the stock of a .410. Murphy

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Murphy,Now there is a face to the 'Name"! If I had not had the 'Workload'(Pairs of Guns to be in Scotland, Gun to be in Tenn,for this week-end, et cetera,et cetera,) Would have enjoyed the meeting 'Of the Minds".Salopian sounds like he can 'Belly-up' to the Bar, as well he should..."Gunmaker" has a reputation to up-hold.....Business,I was mistaken about the Joseph P Knapp Gold Oval in Gun No.Four,It is a Parker .410b, but 'Alas&Alac, not aNother A1Special, a Lowly DHE.410b, but it does have the Knapp Cast Gold Oval! So now on the lookout for Oval No5.Would really like to hear that you have obtained the Sr No of the 'P' gun...and a poss. name of the 'Then' Owner..Congrats' to the Vintagers Organization for a Successful !st Shoot at the New Location. Crossedchisles aka DT.

Anyone seen the rifle events results? I'm sure Mal was in good form.

DT, have you ever seen a JKC oval out of the gun? My story, when asked, is that the oval is a solid gold cylinder that goes within a quarter of an inch of the heel, and is weighed at at least six ounces to balance the heavy barrels on most duck guns. I hope that story doesn't get back to my good buddy who outed the last of the Ruwe guns and sold me the 21 and a few others for pocket change. He was ecstatic that Mrs. Ruwe valued an outrageous Model 21 20 gauge vent rib Trap Grade two barrel set very low, and valued the Knapp gun, a common "Duck" model, twice the price because of "The medallion". She knew what it signified, but my friend never asked her for an explanation. He was in too much of a hurry to write the check. At least we saved her from the estate sale slickos who would have given the guns away.

8bore.aka WM....Have sent email to you with photos..cc/dt