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Larry,
Im sure I have the same brochure.
I believe those O/Us were never hot sellers (I imported exactly one, a 12 with a straight stock and double triggers, no ejectors) and I would bet the actions and barrels were imported from Japan, and finished in France. They look exactly like a Winchester 101.
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Ted
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Larry, I think you're thinking about the left mark below which has choke" combined with "non pour la balle." But it doesn't mark the level of choke. The O/U I'm pretty sure has "Choke Rectife"....and initials. We've seen initials with "Choke Rectifie" before... Just can't identify them yet. I'm going to try to post the barrel maker on Passion La Chasse. 
Baluch are not Brahui, Brahui are Baluch
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I do believe that the tube maker can be sorted but what puzzles me is what type action was sourced from Germany & by whom,
>>Avec Bascule importe d'Allegmangne<<??
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The stamp P choke indicates full choke on many French guns. That said, Ive never seen it on a Darne. The not for ball mark doesnt really tell you the amount of choke, just that it was tight enough that they didnt want you using pumpkin ball slugs in it.
Most Darnes are not marked with actual choke markings, unless they were imported, to be sold, here. Ive seen more than one that had MOD and FULL beaten into the flats, obviously not factory or proof house work, that had chokes that were not mod and full.
My V19 has mod and full on the box it came in, serial numbered to the gun. The gun isnt mod and full. Same with my Italian Richland, although the guy who wrote on the box got one of the two chokes right.
Best,
Ted
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I picked up the gun today. The two cylindrical rods coming out from the receiver are not cocking rods as I previously thought. They are actually a locking mechanism connected to the opening lever. It also appears to have ejectors. I do not have any 16 gauge snap caps to test them, so to be 100% on that I'll need to fire it soon. They are spring-loaded however.
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Larry,
Im sure I have the same brochure.
I believe those O/Us were never hot sellers (I imported exactly one, a 12 with a straight stock and double triggers, no ejectors) and I would bet the actions and barrels were imported from Japan, and finished in France. They look exactly like a Winchester 101.
Best,
Ted Interesting.
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Larry, I think you're thinking about the left mark below which has choke" combined with "non pour la balle." But it doesn't mark the level of choke. The O/U I'm pretty sure has "Choke Rectife"....and initials. We've seen initials with "Choke Rectifie" before... Just can't identify them yet. I'm going to try to post the barrel maker on Passion La Chasse. Agree, Gene, that if it's choke rectifie, that's a different story. And meaningless as far as telling us the degree of choke. Ted's reference to "P choke" would likely be "plein choke" or full. Can't recall ever having seen that.
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 Pretty cool Ted...I've never seen that on a French gun...full choke left barrel, 1/2 choke right barrel. Odd. 6.5 cm chambers...indicating it was made before June 1912. Do you have an idea of Charlin serial numbers - 23644 is high? Now....about those pigeons??? 37223 with 65mm chambers with chokes for the barrels and two birds....post June 1912 but post-WWI?  12720 with 1.5 cm chambers, post 1900 but pre Jun 1912, chokes indicated on the barrels, with two rabbits?  The choke markings has to be something unique to Charlin. Interesting.
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Baluch are not Brahui, Brahui are Baluch
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Hirondelle. Not pigeons. Swallows. They refer to grades in Charlin guns, as do the running bunnies. But, from what I can tell, graded Charlins were always built to order, and the engraving could be up or down grade.
I have a copy of a page listing the Charlin grades, somewhere in the cloud, and Ill see if I can find it. But, that information on Charlins is less useful than on Darne guns, where the grading was more structured.
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Ted
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