Originally Posted By: canvasback
...The OP should contact him (he's easy to find, I spoke to him several years ago on some matter or other) and ask him about the gun. If he really did build it, and the paperwork proving so is lost, I can't imagine he's have much problem with re-confirming the details.

Originally Posted By: Recoil Rob
...It's not at all collectible as a Sauer.

It's certainly collectible as a Hagn, which it seems to be since it's on his website.

https://martinigunmakers.com/for-sale/martin-hagn-shotgun-12ga-2-3-4/

Going with that line we always quote around here..."buy the gun, not the name".

I certainly think it's a looker, I can't think that Hagn did less than expert work, not sure how much his name adds to the value though.


I know Ralf Martini all too well and that is the listing. Ralf is currently in a Germany until the 8th IIRC. Once he returns I will get more info. In the meantime, I hoping to gather as much information as I can to ensure I know what questions to ask.

Originally Posted By: ellenbr
Originally Posted By: p3t3rsn
........, were Sauers made between the wars highly desirable? If so, what was it about them that made it so desirable?


Well, they are 2nd in line as the Pinnacle of Perfection for the Anson & Deeley Body Action. Lindner Daly is 1st and Lindner paid the royalty for the APUN to an A&D representative, probably Francotte of Liege, while Sauer waited until the protection period expired for the novel advancement. View any Sauer Modell Nr. XIV, XVII or above(chase an 18 or 19) and you will witness quality to just ooze from the mechanical contrivance. For the most part, all the highly polished internal components are the same, just a higher level of adornment on the exterior plus suburb tube steel or some additional advancement. I can continue......

Thank you once again Raimey. You have been extremely helpful and a wealth of information. This last piece of information is exactly what I was hoping to better understand.

Essentially, in an attempt to “buy the gun not the maker” I need to learn from Martini/Hagn is, which Model Nr is this action (preferably XIV or better) and ensure it’s actually from Sauer facility in 1923?

“Mechanical contrivance”... love that term!