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Aside from determining the authenticity of this action, were Sauers made between the wars highly desirable? If so, what was it about them that made it so desirable?

Raimey,
The documentation I was talking about was in the form of letters/affidavits, I didn't know the rib was marked.
Mike.

p3t3rsn,
Depending on condition, any Sauer is desirable; whether highly desirable or not depends on the individual gun's model, features, history, and condition. Like Colts, Lugers, and toggle link Winchesters, their value is often over estimated, due to hype.
Mike

Hagn is still active in Cranbrook BC. The OP should contact him (he's easy to find, I spoke to him several years ago on some matter or other) and ask him about the gun. If he really did build it, and the paperwork proving so is lost, I can't imagine he's have much problem with re-confirming the details.

And maybe it's just me, Mike, but I have a hard time finding any desirable post war Sauers made by the commies.

I've been following this very interesting thread.

It's not at all collectible as a Sauer.

It's certainly collectible as a Hagn, which it seems to be since it's on his website.

https://martinigunmakers.com/for-sale/martin-hagn-shotgun-12ga-2-3-4/

Going with that line we always quote around here..."buy the gun, not the name".

I certainly think it's a looker, I can't think that Hagn did less than expert work, not sure how much his name adds to the value though.

Well, they are 2nd in line as the Pinnacle of Perfection for the Anson & Deeley Body Action. Lindner Daly is 1st and Lindner paid the royalty for the APUN to an A&D representative, probably Francotte of Liege, while Sauer waited until the protection period expired for the novel advancement. View any Sauer Modell Nr. XIV, XVII or above(chase an 18 or 19) and you will witness quality to just ooze from the mechanical contrivance. For the most part, all the highly polished internal components are the same, just a higher level of adornment on the exterior plus suburb tube steel or some additional advancement. I can continue......


Cheers,

Raimey
rse

I know Ralf Martini all too well and that is the listing. Ralf is currently in a Germany until the 8th IIRC. Once he returns I will get more info. In the meantime, I hoping to gather as much information as I can to ensure I know what questions to ask.


Thank you once again Raimey. You have been extremely helpful and a wealth of information. This last piece of information is exactly what I was hoping to better understand.

Essentially, in an attempt to �buy the gun not the maker� I need to learn from Martini/Hagn is, which Model Nr is this action (preferably XIV or better) and ensure it�s actually from Sauer facility in 1923?

�Mechanical contrivance�... love that term!

Perhaps I'm wrong but, like most companies that made graded guns, all the grades start out with the same action, the amount of embellishment determines grade.

A Sauer XIV most likely started out as the same action as my Sauer No.1.

IMO the action doesn't enter into determining value for this gun. It's in the Sauer number range for the era advertised, what more do you need to know?

I am curious, is it possible the typical scallops could of been filled in or milled out in order to flatten the rear of the action to better fit the Purdey templated stock or to make a better canvas for engraving?



I have learned that it is a Sauer but not guaranteed to originate from a Sauer facility, the frame with the upper & lower screws resembles a Modell XIV or XVII but missing the typical scallops, that the action has been repaired and there is possibly another set of tubs. Providing me a much better (but still limited) understanding of Sauer actions. Placing me in a much better place than I was a few days ago in making a more educated buying decision.

From reading the previously recommended posts, it seems the XIV (and better) are Sauer-Daly actions measuring one inch longer leading me to suspect the internals are too different. Raimey, please correct me if I have misunderstood.

Reminds me of Mauser bolt actions, endless slight variations of the same design like steel type and machine work. Making some Mausers like the G33/40 or FN Supreme much more desirable for a custom build as they are the Pinnacle of Perfect to steal a line from Raimey.

Great eye & you are paying attention.

But really nothing connects it back to Sauer as it is a rebuild by Hagn and is >>neither fish nor meat<< as the Germans phrase it. Such offerings were commonplace @ the end of WWII and I cannot say that their value appreciates.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse