Ben Wise's Greener Royal is of the "funeral" type, a high grade gun in unengraved black finish. When I asked Graham Greener about my eight gauge unengraved Royal, he mentioned Ben's gun and explained that these high grade unengraved guns of his make were ordered that way by discriminating customers and were quite scarce, which we know. My particular gun has no gold embellishment where Ben's 12 gauge, as I recall, has gold letters. I doubt that Ben Wise, as host to this week's Vintagers, will have the opportunity to compete this year. Yup, Frank, I miss Owleye a lot myself. Murphy