Originally Posted By: craigd
Originally Posted By: Rocketman
....Guns are fixed objects and do not change their shapes. So, their dynamics are also fixed....

....mounted swing effort is the same as unmounted except that the gun is mounted to the shoulder and point of rotation is now near the butt. The fifth factor, compactness, is predictive of the relationship between the guns weight and it's swing efforts....

If a gun can be weighed to with in a standard of say an ounce, or a balance point measured to say within a quarter inch, is it accurate enough to say mounted swing effort is near the butt?

Will different shooter builds, shooting styles and target presentations have the potential to significantly change the mounted point of rotation in a consistent way for some shooters and in a variable way for other shooters and situations?

There are probably ways to measure a gun, but are there predictable ways to determine how it will be guided through space by a human, meaning are fixed dynamics a predictor for a successful wing shot?


Craig, I'll respond this way.

My career was involved with sporting goods. Particularly golf hardgoods, tennis and footwear. I started in the 1970's when raquets and golf clubs were made the same way they had been made for 60 years, and left those industries at the end of the 1990's, when the transformation of racquet and golf club construction was essentially complete. A move from very traditional methods of construction and materials to as advanced as one can imagine. And like a shot gun, both a racquet and a golf club are swung and consistencey of movement is paramount. They measure freaking everything and the application of scienctific analysis to the materials, to stresses, to movement to everything has created profound change and improvement....for all players, not just the best.

If you don't think Nike analyzed everything imaginable when they decided to enter the golf club business, you don't know how it works.

Shotguns and shotgun owners remind me of golfers from the early 1970's, clinging to tradition and embodying a refusal to understand how real analysis as opposed to subjective assessment of "feel" might improve the tool and their own abilities.

Last edited by canvasback; 07/25/20 11:37 AM.

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