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Originally Posted By: Ken Nelson
Since rift sawn I essentially cut radially to the center line of the trunk, I would think the grain would be more balanced on both sides of the blank but less figure than quarter sawn.


You are 100% correct Ken. But don't try to convince Queen Stevie with annoying things like facts.





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Originally Posted By: Ken Nelson
Since rift sawn I essentially cut radially to the center line of the trunk, I would think the grain would be more balanced on both sides of the blank but less figure than quarter sawn.

The pictures may have their captions reversed? I believed logs are rift sawn for some quartersawn look, but otherise for maximum yeild. True quarter sawed logs require a bunch of loss in the form of triangular off cuts.


Keith, I'll look back at why I'm thinking different, but I have always known rift sawn boards to show angular grain orientation when looking at the end grain. While quater sawn shows ninety degrees to the face of a board when looking at the end grain?

I believe plain sawn material ends up with the fewest growth rings around the action inletting, the easiest chance of grain running off the direction of the stock, and has the highest chance of looking like plywood.

edit to add, It seems to me there are milling definitions for the sawing process and descriptions of board stock. I happen to be using the description of the board stock. Importantly, I believe if one can get to the pile first, flat sawn wood can have a nicely quarter sawn center cut. I suppose the best bet is to look them over carefully?


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You can find any kind of drawing on the internet for riff sawed lumber.



All woodworkers I know of consider riff sawed to have ~45 degree angles for the rings when looking at the butt end, but you can find other definitions as well.

I agree that plain sawed can look like a laminated stock sometimes. But occasionally they can be pretty sweet too.

In the end, all that matters is the individual piece of wood and how it matches with the action and the user's preferences.


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Originally Posted By: craigd
Originally Posted By: Ken Nelson
Since rift sawn I essentially cut radially to the center line of the trunk, I would think the grain would be more balanced on both sides of the blank but less figure than quarter sawn.

The pictures may have their captions reversed? I believed logs are rift sawn for some quartersawn look, but otherise for maximum yeild. True quarter sawed logs require a bunch of loss in the form of triangular off cuts.



Keith, I'll look back at why I'm thinking different, but I have always known rift sawn boards to show angular grain orientation when looking at the end grain. While quater sawn shows ninety degrees to the face of a board when looking at the end grain?

I believe plain sawn material ends up with the fewest growth rings around the action inletting, the easiest chance of grain running off the direction of the stock, and has the highest chance of looking like plywood.




Winner, winner chicken dinner!

Finally someone who understands stock cutting and blank layout.


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Originally Posted By: BrentD
You can find any kind of drawing on the internet for riff sawed lumber.



All woodworkers I know of consider riff sawed to have ~45 degree angles for the rings when looking at the butt end, but you can find other definitions as well.

I agree that plain sawed can look like a laminated stock sometimes. But occasionally they can be pretty sweet too.

In the end, all that matters is the individual piece of wood and how it matches with the action and the user's preferences.


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Nope craigd, only true rift sawing gives a cut with every board face perpendicular to the growth rings... and also is the most expensive because it creates the least yield and the most waste.

As you can see from the last illustration I posted, a slab or plain sawn log will yield a couple boards with true rift sawn end grain. A quarter sawn log will yield four boards with true rift sawn end grain. By definition, the log is sawn into quarters, and then cut with just the saw kerf as waste.

But every board from a log that is rift sawn has the end grain running virtually perpendicular to the face. No matter how desperate Queen Stevie and his girlfriend BrentD wish to say otherwise.

Funny how BrentD says he IGNORES my posts, yet so frequently respond to them. You don't suppose BrentD is lying to us, do you?


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Originally Posted By: keith
Did someone tell you that blank was rift sawn Queen Stevie?

Did you believe them, and are now desperately attempting to say that piece is rift sawn... when it clearly is not rift sawn?

If so, the only thing you are an expert at is being stupid and pathetically desperate to prove me wrong. But I already knew that, and didn't need any more proof.


Sucks being as dumb as you are.

No answer as to what the blank I posted is?

No surprise.


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Originally Posted By: BrentD
You can find any kind of drawing on the internet for riff sawed lumber.


When it comes to actual sawing, this depiction is not very good. No mill or even hobby sawer will be able to ceate the depicted stepped cuts. Even the plain sawn depiction requires way too many log rolls to complete, but the problem is a log isn't cylindrical, so the loss would be problematic.

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By the way Queen Stevie, that illustration that you think is "another winner" clearly shows the log labeled as rift sawn being quartered before being cut into boards. That only proves that you should not believe everything you see on the internet.

EDIT: It looks as if craigd realizes that, but you or BrentD never will, because you are just too ignorant.

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You can find any kind of drawing on the internet for riff sawed lumber.


When it comes to actual sawing, this depiction is not very good. No mill or even hobby sawer will be able to ceate the depicted stepped cuts. Even the plain sawn depiction requires way too many log rolls to complete, but the problem is a log isn't cylindrical, so the loss would be problematic.

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Originally Posted By: craigd
Originally Posted By: BrentD
You can find any kind of drawing on the internet for riff sawed lumber.


When it comes to actual sawing, this depiction is not very good. No mill or even hobby sawer will be able to ceate the depicted stepped cuts. Even the plain sawn depiction requires way too many log rolls to complete, but the problem is a log isn't cylindrical, so the loss would be problematic.


We have several local sawyers that will do it. I have 1000 bd ft of walnut cut this way and another 800-1000 of cherry, all stickered and about ready to use after almost 2 yrs.


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