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The LCSCA CSI (and BSi) unit has dispatched a Special Intervention Team to research the reported mass 'failure' of LCs at the recent, as yet unidentified, shoot.  http://members.boardhost.com/lcsmith/msg/1190141143.html
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Max, there are a few of us here that get shouted down anytime we offer up a less than starstruck opinion of the 21. Or, anything with the big red W on it. There are about three of us in this discussion who have been here long enough to remember the 21 discussions from the first version of the board.
There hasn't been any good shouting down since then.
...If you weren't here, you don't know. You never will. Ok, I guess this means the shout-downs happen any time an unapproving opinion is offered, but only in the years-ago past. I'm glad you figured out what you meant, but you're right, I'll never know.
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Blackdog, I examined my gun again last night. I tried all suggestions and I do not seem to have a part of the knurled wheel that is not knurled. No red line or any type of mark. Extra pressure on the wheel or front of forend does not result in hearing the forend snap in place. Since there is only slight movement of the forend when a shell is fired I guess I will live with it. BTW on my gun, when the action is open (lets just say if I was to pick the gun up and break it open) the ejectors are in the open (extended from the barrels) position. Does this mean anything?
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Maax
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Question, could the wood have swelled slightly due to humidity in your area causing the forend latch not to seat properly? This happened to my '21'. The forend would be secured properly when the gun was assembled; however, occasionaly when the gun was in the case with the forend fastened to the barrels, the BT forend would spring off of the barrels. The forend wood was releaved slightly where meeting the barrels and problem was solved - yes, I live in a high humidity area.
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Max
that is the position of my ejectors when I pick the gun up and open it. The gun only EJECTS a FIRED Shell,, but,, Extracts a unfired one.
If you put in a snap cap and dry fire, if you slowly open the gun, you will notice that the ejectore of the fired barrel will stay down just a touch, utill its tripped to eject the shell.
I am at a loss as to the knurled wheel and lock position of your forearm. I look at mine and compare it to the example on the link I provided, and mine is exactly what is pictured.
mebe yours is a later model or something, and they changed the configuration (there were other examples on that link)
Sorry
Gooser
Last edited by Blackdog; 09/19/07 12:27 PM.
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George
This is what I'm thinking is the problem with Maxes gun.
And the lock is holding just enough to keep the forearm from falling off when shooting.
Its odd his doesnt seem to have the line on the wheel I described.
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Here goes. The fellow that charges (actually, he doesn't charge any more) $2000 for a 21 barrel job, as Blackdog implies, threw the fear of God into the customer about rust in the rib channel and ruined barrels etc. As Blackdog correctly states, we ought to know whether the condition of our 21 warrants this fear about fatal rust. As he has mentioned, maybe a focused fix, directed at the problem at hand, a loose lug, may be more what we're looking for. Go to a guy who doesn't have $2000 on his mind and, as I said before, kiss the ground if you have a nice 21 at yesterday's prices. Personally, I don't think my old Trap Grade has any rust under the rib.
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I have to ask again...what LCSCA shoot was it where nearly all of teh Smiths failed? Please...inquiring minds want to hear about this, also, if possible, tells us what was failing on the guns. Events and happenings like this are worthy of a tale, so please tell it
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Oh, by the way, just joking about the L.C.Smith failures (in honor of Klunk). A few failures of a certain make of gun, even if at one shoot, don't make a bad make of gun. Nouveau-Vintage Gun shooters don't always make the best choices of guns to engage in their new sport. The en-mass single trigger failures I have witnessed at one shoot are more a function of poor individual gun selection rather than poor brand selection. Ted should direct his sarcasm at the shooters who bought junk and the dealers who sold it rather than at the random failures of a few guns that share a brand name. Even he realizes that three Model 21 rib failures at a shoot with three Model 21s doesn't mean that 100% of all Model 21s have separated ribs. By the way, I've been shooting my 21 with a separated lug and rib for about 20 years in that condition. I shouldn't, but I have. What was the big emergency at the shoot Ted attended? Did the guns quit working? I doubt it.
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Eightbore THANKS for the clarification. I was just curious.
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