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Lloyd, because it hit my close family early and because of the time on lockdown and being semi retired anyway, I have been looking hard at it every day since my son left for a tour of Europe on March 3.

An extraordinary amount of press, often conflicting, pulled and pushed by partisan influences and objectives. The info is there. You just have to use common sense and identify and reject partisan posturing.

So for example you can look at CZ's early post of how and where it will spread quickly and see that while those places in the US tend to vote Democrat, it is not Democrat policies that cause it to spread. That is a general statement. That then has to be balanced against the news breaking in the last 10 days about Cuomo sending patients into old folks homes.

My point is the info is surfacing. Not easily digested but it's easily found. Just needs work once you get it.

Canada's federal and provincial governments are likely spending in excess of $300 billion dollars that they don't have. All deficit spending they will have to borrow for. We have 5000 dead from it, 78% in old age homes. Almost all have co-morbidities. And we know the official death rate is exaggerated. Currently as of May 11, that's an average of $60 million per death.

Please tell me the lock down makes sense. I don't see it.

Lloyd, the "petty tyrants don't bother me. I'm just pleased those who know more than I about about public health are calling the shots---as it should be. We know next to nothing about Cov19. Nothing is safe or certain, and never is.

I have confidence in our public services and political direction under varying national circumstances, and believe we're on the right course considering scarce empirical evidence. Following the rules is not an onerous duty of citizenship.

What's a premature opening?

Which guidelines for incremental reopening, specifically, are more reckless than than visiting a grocery store? It can be said that ny elderly were 'discharged' from hospitals, but wasn't the petty tyrant's policy that the nursing homes could not ask any indicated covid questions, nor could they get access to normally available medical records. Social justice or a petty tyrant showing the party, because it was an opportunity, the possibilities of rationing and prioritizing life, when it wasn't necessary. Weird, huh?

Management is making decisions in the face of uncertainty. Why public and private managers are paid more. Some countries didn't know what to do about a new and deadly virus and dithered, others acted with hitherto draconian measures.

The consensus generally was to lockdown and now opening economies carefully, another conscious gamble with uncertainty involving serious consequences. Lockdown itself was to protect the integrity of healthcare infrastructures from disastrous breakdown.

We're learning on the job, James. Muddling through, serving humanity, people before profits, as we should. As for the cost, Canada is good for it. Commoners will pay most of it but have you seen cost of those shares lately? Loads of money floating around. Our latest billionaire worth more than RBC.

I live in Merced County, California and I've noticed some interesting things. Merced Co. population is 255,000 + and is basically rural, it has reported 173 covid19 cases with 3 deaths, one stat you don't usually see is recovered cases, we have 99. 98 are 18-49, 40 are 50-64, 25 are 65+, 10 are <18. What really jumps out is that the Hispanic population is 41% and Hispanic cases are 65%. This probably has more to do with behavioral traits than race, I've noticed in grocery stores that very few are wearing masks and tend to be in family groups, also they seem to be more social than other racial groups, this is also true of the 18-49 group. The area is opened up the last week because the local politicians threatened to defy the lock down order from the state along with the other rural counties. politically the governor tends to favor the urban parts of the state. Interesting that the worst area apart from LA and SF bay area are Kern CO. and Imperial Co. which have very high Hispanic Populations.

A premature opening. to me, is a political decision contrary to the advice and counsel of the public and private health services mandated to protect and promote the quality of our lives.

Behavioural more than racial: I've seen evidence of it here and overseas. Won't mention names or places but those behavioural traits attract me to where I want to go, a natural tenderness and shared empathy that seems to be disappearing,

Current stats from Wisconsin: 418 deaths out of 10,681 verified positive cases. State population is roughly 6 million.

But like many parts of the country, there are very significant disparities within a state. In WI, Brown County (Green Bay) has the highest RATE of infection: 754 per 100,000 population. (Mostly due to an outbreak at a meat packing plant.) Milwaukee County has far more cases and deaths, but a much larger population. Rate of infection is 426/100K.

But everywhere north of Green Bay, the rate of infection and deaths are both very low. My county has 7 positive cases, no deaths. Our rate of infection is about 20/100K, and that's pretty much the way it is all across the northern half of the state.

Good news is that we've been breaking clays at a couple places, and one more (located on DNR property) will be opening (with restrictions, like all of them) next weekend.

I think this is true.