doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com OT: At the risk of stepping in it....

I've tried to get a question answered lately that for some reason, the usual on-line sources of information seem unable to accommodate. The are some pretty accomplished folks here, and some with strong medical backgrounds. I suspect that this will devolve into the usual mess eventually but....here goes. From my reading on the subject, at least in the United States... the death rate from this COVID 19 infection is about 1 death in 10,000 infections. Somebody asked me today if that 1 in 10K death rate was enough to justify calling this a pandemic. I simply didn't know, so I attempted to look it up. From what I was able to find, the death rate isn't the determining factor of how a pandemic is defined, it is the infection rate and then the geographic areas involved. Assuming that's accurate, then this is indeed a pandemic. It is most certainly a pandemic when you consider the death rate in other countries which do not have the level of care that we do here. The next question I was asked was about the dramatic differences between death numbers in blue states and red states, ie...why is Florida so comparatively low and New York so high? I have been told that almost every death in the blue states has been counted as Covid-related because there is a financial incentive to-do-so for the hospitals involved. I could not find any information to help me with that one online either, can anybody here shed some light on the subject with some, hopefully, first-hand knowledge of the subject?

Lloyd, my DIL is a RN in an Augusta hospital. She has stated all along that this is terribly overblown. In the hospital in which she works every person who dies there is tested for COVID 19 post-mortum. If the virus is found in the cadaver the death is reported as a Coronavirus death. Why? $$$$$$$$

For every death to Coronavirus reported the hospital receives extra dollars. Don't know how much, but she did say that for every patient with COVID 19 that is placed on a ventilator the hospital is paid $39,000.

Do I believe the deaths from CV 19 are overstated. Absolutely, without question. Follow the $$$$$$$.

SRH

You have asked a complex question.
You can look at the spread of the disease without politics.
The disease doesnt care about politics.

Try looking at it through the mechanism of spread.

International airports. Check.
Big city, high density living. Check.
Lots of poor people. Check
Large cadre of people with pre existing health issues. Check
Limited healthcare access due to poverty. Check

Where are those places and people?

Strangely the death of a colleague's parent who had CV19 was recorded as something else (heart related I believe).

Place of death, NYC. In my opinion, the claims of over stating CV19 death rates are patently false.

Currently, the death rate in the USA is roughly 82,000/1400000 which is a shade less than 6%. A far cry from your 0.01%.

In NYC, it is believed that there are more deaths from CV19 than recorded. This belief is based on deaths from all causes in the same period of time in prior years compared with deaths during March and April of this year. Take note of the "excess death" graphs illustrating deaths from all causes and the spikes above the past years.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

real science is saying 1.3,but hey that doesn't fit the talking points.

It's not what the numbers say. I've been tracking it for a while now.

Here in Iows 271/12393 = 2.2%

Your denominator is known cases. what about the unknown cases? Have you accounted for that in your numbers?

Brent: that is the case fatality rate, not the overall death rate. And it varies enormously, obviously by age and underlying risk factors, but also by environment (NYC) and genetics (esp. Native Americans and Latinos) Things are very bad on the Navajo Nation.

We know very little about the epidemiology of COVID right now, but certainly will in about a year. And since we know so little, none of us here can really contribute much but hearsay, agenda driven "news", conspiracy theories, and personal opinions. So I'll decline. I do believe the health professionals advising President Trump are trying to do the right thing, with limited information and wildly different models.

I'm betting on sunshine and heat, and praying AZ and our nation open up soon, and that the economy bounces back quickly. Clearly folks are already emerging in Phoenix - Home Depot was packed last week when I was there. I'm afraid though, just like 9-11, we are in for a new and challenging "normal".

Gentlemen, thank you all! I know that depending on whom you determine to be a credible source for news, your relevant data and then opinions will vary. The mainstream media has never been held to account (at least not yet!) for some clearly questionable reporting on this matter (and so-many others) so I'm never quite sure about what I'm hearing or reading anymore.

So...we have a range of opinions here concerning the death rate, from 1 % to 6%, largely depending on who's death data you believe to be accurate. It would seem to me that politics is the primary driving force here, as it is everywhere else these days. Everybody seems to have an axe to grind on this one.