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Somebody 'splain to me why you would shoot a short barreled gun for the supposed lightning quick dynamics and then handle it with your arm straight out.
If a bird is flying by, you can instinctively reach out and touch the beak with your left hand. Same principle when playing with the light, fast, shotguns. It's taught as a two handed exercise. Left hand reaches forward, right hand brings the stock to cheek, head upright, shoulder rolls into the butt. When the Grey's clear the hedge, it works fabuluously. So it's a jab, not a swing. Referring the pix of the overhead shot, it would seem it would require some amount of swing after mounting to achieve that pose.
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Somebody 'splain to me why you would shoot a short barreled gun for the supposed lightning quick dynamics and then handle it with your arm straight out.
If a bird is flying by, you can instinctively reach out and touch the beak with your left hand. Same principle when playing with the light, fast, shotguns. It's taught as a two handed exercise. Left hand reaches forward, right hand brings the stock to cheek, head upright, shoulder rolls into the butt. When the Grey's clear the hedge, it works fabuluously. So it's a jab, not a swing. There are a bunch of mechanical elements to these shooting styles. They start with footwork and weight transfer as a foundation. They have no element of sustained lead in them. I don't want to mix metaphors, but essentially, you mount on the bird, and your weight transfer accelerates the barrels enough away from the bird to ensure enough lead. When I was working on shooting at 50+ yard clays at WLSS, I found I was not limber enough to snap my hip forward to accelerate the gun enough. Remember, on incomers, this style means the bird will be behind the plane of the barrels when the shot is taken (obscured). But if you want to look elegant while shooting, it's a very good style to adopt.
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I don't pretend to be an expert. I shoot a fair amount of clays, always with a sxs. I prefer a slightly weight forward gun and longer barrels, 29-32". Recently acquired a 29" barreled gun that is muzzle light and I have been struggling, especially at a high crosser. I usually shoot instinctive but am trying to improve my sustained lead on longer shots. After a very frustrating attempt at the long crosser I tried instinctive with the muzzle light sxs and smoked them. I am suggesting the balance of the gun may lend itself to the method, instinctive, swing through or sustained lead.
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I am suggesting the balance of the gun may lend itself to the method, instinctive, swing through or sustained lead. Truer words may never have been spoken. SRH
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Shooting an incomer that is already past your 12 o'clock overhead is not something that has to be learned at a shooting school, or necessarily a method that has been derived by someone before you. I learned tp do this over 50 years ago shooting doves. But, IMO, if you wait so long that you are shooting the bird past 12 o'clock you have waited too long, unless it is the second bird taken, out of a pair (or more). The first incomer can be taken waaay out there as a true incomer, not as an overhead crosser, then the second barrel can be utilized to possibly engage a second bird. This is as good as wing shooting gets, IMO.
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My ideal sporting course would have a 'butt' with a view blocking fence in front of it with several high angle incomers, a setup with random double rabbits, and a double teal that wobbled.
I'm tired of falling targets. Enough already.
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Shooting an incomer that is already past your 12 o'clock overhead is not something that has to be learned at a shooting school, or necessarily a method that has been derived by someone before you. I learned tp do this over 50 years ago shooting doves. But, IMO, if you wait so long that you are shooting the bird past 12 o'clock you have waited too long, unless it is the second bird taken, out of a pair (or more). The first incomer can be taken waaay out there as a true incomer, not as an overhead crosser, then the second barrel can be utilized to possibly engage a second bird. This is as good as wing shooting gets, IMO.
Totally agree with that,to me it`s all gone wrong if you let it get to a 12 o `clock bird or past!
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My ideal sporting course would have a 'butt' with a view blocking fence in front of it with several high angle incomers Sandanona has a nice driven bird set up. A club needs "run-off" space for the clays to be thrown last the gunner. As long as the gunner can be below the traps, the clays can be thrown past, and around him. It's pretty rare to visit a club that throws a clay at, or past, the gun. It doesn't seem to bother UK clubs, but they shoot a lot of driven there. A person can certainly practice the Churchill method on other presentations. There are a number of instructors that specialize in these methods.
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Wycamp has that here in Northern Michigan, or at least they did last time I shot clays there which had to be at least 15 years ago.
It's a shallow excavation with a log barrier.
Small 'window' to be sure.
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It's a safety thing.
And, Americans don't shoot driven wild game typically.
And club layout is often a circular loop, shooting into the middle for shotfall.
I like the 6 trap trailers, with 2 oscillating, and 4 wobble traps throwing 6 birds down the hill simultaneously.
It's like a knot of teal.
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