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Not in NYC, LA or SanFran - not even in downtown St.Louis, but there are places where we are very united.

The trouble is
When you have dropout rates in the 50%s, a large family and no job/low paying and some of the household members in the slammer, its hard to buy into the dream.
Without a stake in America, they go against the dream that many have worked so hard for.

Sadly, there are those committed by theology , ideology and just plain human nature to the utter destruction of things "Western".

This is primarily because the basic philosophical underpinnings of Western thought, namely Judeo-Christian theology, promote the concepts of self-determination, independence and one-on-one personal responsibility to God. This is in direct contrast to the requirement of the "true" Faithful of Islam to work and war for the complete and total subjugation of the physical world to Allah; jihad with the heart, the word, and as necessary with the sword. Unbelievers are to be converted, subjugated and taxed, or destroyed.

The modern Islamic Fascists are today merely actually and vigorously acting upon achieving that goal - subjugation of the world to Allah. The fact that many Islamic belivers do not support them does not change the fact that the Fascists are operating, and their less militant brethren are, for the most part silent. Silent from fear? Silent from indecision? Who can say? Does it matter, in the end? I do not think so. The bulk of the German populace was not a member of the National Socialist Party, but the Nazis did control the operation, and we still speak about, and warred against "Nazi" Germany. So it is now with Islamic Fascism.

Followers of other strains of Islam are silent, or at best make muted comments as their co-religionists, in the name of their common god Allah, and their common scripture Quran, make war on women, children and the innocent and non-combatant.

A man stands outside of my house with a gun, a bucket of gasoline and a lighter, loudly declaring his intent to kill me and burn my house down. What liklihood of success will meet my passionate assurances to him of my goodwill? What can I expect to result from my giving him continued entreaties of peace and brotherhood? His stated aim is to leave my children homeless, destitute and orphan. How long can I, in good conscience, temporize? I cannot wait very long. At some rapidly arrived at point, I must take him seriously, and act, vigorously and violently, or it is too late. Failure to act is a gross expression of cowardice as well - placing my children at risk because I will not commit to a necessary course of action, and depending on words to accomplish what must be done with steel.

As sad as it is, some evil people will only be stopped by death.

This is not about education or money. Many of the Islamic Fascists are university educated, have professional degrees and come from well-off back grounds. This is literally about world domination. They will stone your sister or daughter to death for "immodesty" too.

I close with a line that no doubt many have heard, but it is appropriate here:

"...Underneath the starry flag, civilize 'em with a Krag,
And return us to our own beloved homes. "

From "The Soldier's Song"
(Songs of the Carabao; Gathered by the Military Order of the Carabao, founded 1900)

Regards

GKT

Greg, my friend:
Not much that you say can be argued with, but I want to define the education that I meant earlier.
It is the children that need to be influenced. By the time that he/she reaches the age of 14, their philosophy is all but settled.
We simply have to find a way to affect the teaching of youth, not so much to obey Judea-Christian teachings, but to recognize that life and freedom is foremost.
It seems to me that representative government will lead to prosperity. Prosperity leads to education for all, and this leads to the realization that reliance on self is possible as well as preferable.
It is possible that my last sentence is faulty in that academics are well educated but very liberal. Strange !!!
These are not the people that need the education. It is the controlled masses of the street, being led by dangerous and misguided men, that the free world needs to focus upon.
It seems that we live in a dog eat dog world. Even in our own land. Urban gang against gang, crook against honest men and is not so different from radical gangs, militias,dictatorial regimes and plain old evil men.
I can't see a soon-to-be solution but do pray that all can be settled and we have peace. Peace for men of good will; no matter who or what or where they are.
Best,
John

I give up.

John,

Why do you persist with your conflicted philosophy? On one hand you preach about the inherent goodness on mankind and on the other you dispare of mankind's ugliness and brutality.

I suggest that you are not being realistic. When in the history of human kind has there been a very long period of calm and goodness? Never. An inherant part of human nature is consprised of brutality and ugliness. It is also comprised of charity and beauty.

You need to come to terms with the ugly part of human nature and realize that goodness, of itself, will not prevail.

Phil

Friend John:


This conflict will end with someones utter defeat. It had better be the other side.

But there will be others, as it is part of the human condition, and connected to the fallen nature of man.

Ultimately, "... you will hear of wars and rumors of wars..." ( Matthew 24:6) , and that is not going to change, until the end of the Age.

Regards

GKT

Goodness of itself cannot prevail, Phil. But John didn't say that nor does he live with a conflicted philosophy. The individual condition is a lonely one. Collectively, it may be different. Acts of love and creativity illuminate our way around selfishness, callousness and greed.

Americans yearn for a "city on the hill." The world isn't going to hell. Those who think it is do not remain for long as citizens of a great nation. A recent BBC World Service poll of 22 countries reveals that opinions on Iraq are almost identical with those held by citizens of the United States.

That's lefties, libs and righties, Christians, Muslims and Jews, yearning for "the peace of God that surpasses all understanding." From the Gospel of John, I think, and what our John is telling us.

Jimmy, Clinton searched for "consensus" within his administration. Janet Reno, for one, argued strongly for the arrest of Bin Laden, opposing any suggestion that either the military or the CIA should attempt to kill him. The CIA, which had operated under rules that made assassination illegal since about 1975, sent several "findings" to the White House, with proposed language to give clear direction to their assets in the field. The closest they ever got to a green light to "hit" bin Laden was approval to use force in the course of an attempt to arrest him. On one occasion, Clinton actually scratched out the text and changed the "finding", in his own hand, so that the guidance was less clear.

The bipartisan 9/11 Commission clarified the questions about aircraft leaving this country before air space had been reopened, carrying a number of Saudi nationals (including relatives of bin Laden) back to Saudi Arabia. Their report stated clearly that the FBI interviewed the Saudis prior to their departure and gave clearance for them to leave. And the aircraft did not depart this country until air space had been reopened.

Greg, I don't think the struggle is what you portray: them or us, only one left standing. I think it's closer to the view of the former CIA's Michael Schuer, who was mentioned in bin Laden's last tape.

He says in his book the West's unqualified support for Israel, support for tyrannical regimes in the Middle East, and dependence on oil in the region are all contributing to the real reasons for terrorist activity.

Casting the enemy in terms of theology and ideology, democracy and freedom, is fighting the wrong enemy, according to Schuer. On the evidence, with the Russians out, near-defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan, he may be right.

Yes, me thinks donating some usable land to the Palestinians would be a good start.