Stallones,

Ithaca and Lefever are two completely different companies. The only relation they have to each other is that Ithaca bought the remnants of Lefever Arms Co. long after Dan Lefever was both disassociated with the company, and dead.

Ithaca made more double guns "branded" Lefever than they made with their OWN name. This tells you the esteem that both Ithaca, and the buying public, had for the Lefever name. (see Snyder's book for the full explanation.)

As such, doing the math given known Ithaca production of "Lefever" named models vs our rough estimates of the number which were Dan's design, one can see that 80% of all American guns ever made bearing the name Lefever have nothing to do with the man whose name they bear, were not his design, and were made decades after he was dead.

Ithaca simply 'pimped' the name.

No flies on an Ithaca Flues...they are nice doubles. But they have nothing to do with Lefever. And Dan Lefever had nothing to do with the majority of guns which bear that name.

This is why you will sometimes see people referencing "real" Lefevers. They are talking about the original ones.

NDG